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[sv-rituals] Re: 5th Veda? where did this term come from

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Raghu Mudumbai • May 8, 2002 


 > Dear all,
 >
 > The following email appeared in
 > Sri Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami's mailing
 > list (jetusa@yahoogroups.com)
 >
 > Jai Srimannarayana
 > Ramanuja dasaha
 >
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: chinna jeeyar 
 > Reply-To: jetusa@y...
 > To: Ram Anbil 
 > CC: jetusa@y...
 > Subject: [jetusa] Re: [SriRangaSri] Re: 5th Veda? where did this
term come
 > from
 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 > Priya Sriman!
 > Jai Srimannarayana!
 > We have posted some information about it yesterday.
 > The information posted in this letter below, was
 > written with a little ignorance it seems. it has tobe
 > corrected with the following:
 >
 > Even during Pre-Nadhamuni's time, Divya Prabandham was
 > kept in practice in Srirangam Temple. Even before Sri
 > Nadhamuni, the divya prabandham was already existing
 > in most of the Srivaishnava temples as a part ofthe
 > ritual. No one objected that, according to the history
 > available.
 >
 > Sri Nadhamuni found the "a:ra:vamude:...." songs in
 > Kumbako:nam temple, while the priests were chanting
 > them as a part of their A:ra:dhana only. So, Alwars'
 > songs were prohibited in the temples, for, they were
 > sung by SUDRAS or it was in  DRAVIDA LANGUAGE etc.,
 > was not at all correct and against to the history.
 > Deva Bha:sha Sankrit was respected with high glory
 > and that is true. Other languages like Tamil were also
 > equally respected, when they speak about the Lord
 > Narayana. That understanding was existing even before
 > Sri Ra:ma:nuja. That is the reason Sri Ramanuja also
 > studied Divya Prabandham and it's commentaries from
 > Nambies. The commentaries were not documented during
 > those days. And so, Sri Ramanujacharya ordered his
 > disciples to present commentaries like
 > "A:ra:yirappadi"(6000 prabandham) to Thiruvai Mozhi.
 >
 > Any distortion misleads the seekers of the truth. If
 > someone know the history well, they can write about
 > it, otherwise, better not to make such distortion.
 > Somebody said that "something is better than nothing"
 > and then it made very clear by welwishers that
 > "Nothing is better than non-sence".
 >
 > Even post-Ramanuja period also the prabandham and its
 > commentary tradition caught up well and somany other
 > acharyas added their commentaries to the existing
 > ones.
 >
 > Adhyayana Utsavam was not started by De:sika Swamy. It
 > was started by Thirumangai Alwar only. Without any
 > break it was in practise there in Srirangam. In fact,
 > Sri de;sika swamy protected the Brahmasuthra
 > commentaries which were in manuscripts during those
 > days, keeping himself under the dead-bodies for about
 > 7 days. He also added some tamil and sanskrit
 > commentaries in prose & poetry form to the existing
 > ones. He never meddled with the temple system or its
 > worship system in Srirangam according to the history.
 >
 > As you said about the "Kama Sasthra". It was the
 > history again, which took place during Sri Para:sara
 > Bhattar's time, just after Sri Ramanuja's period, it
 > means, long before Sri Vedantha Desika's time. Say
 > about 200 years before.
 >
 > Some scholar wanted to listen to the discourses ofSri
 > Bhattar swamy and joined the pravachana group. Tiruvai
 > Mozhi was the topic. He enjoyed the 1st 10 songs.
 > appreciated the supremacy of the Lord, listed
 > carefully the 2nd  dasakam. ashtonished by hearing the
 > vairagya upadesham made by Nammalwar. He also heard
 > the 3rd 10 songs, which reveal the
 > accessability(soulabhya) of Lord Krishna, felt like
 > hearing more and more of Nammalwar's songs. When the
 > 4th 10 songs were started he felt very sorry and went
 > away, for, they reveal the sorrowful state of
 > Nammalwar, in suffering from the pangs of seperation
 > from the Lord. He sung a few songs as a seperated lady
 > sings for her Lover. That scholar thought it as,
 > Ka:ma, the lust. He could not understand that the
 > God's Love is irresistable than that of the worldly
 > ka:mas. He never sought the expanation from Sri
 > Bhattar also. Sri Bhattar felt very sorry for his
 > misunderstanding. This was the history.
 > Better to understand the right things and inform. If
 > it is only for your own enjoyment, you do whatever you
 > wish. But when we inform to others, we should be very
 > correct for ourselves. Otherwise, that becomes
 > irrepairable damage and thus an inexcusable sin to
 > pu:rva:charyas. We hope you try to understand.
 >
 > =chinnajeeyar=
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > - Ram Anbil  wrote:
 >  > Dear Bhagavatas:
 >  >
 >  > The view expressed by Sri Parthiban Ragahavachari is
 >  > partly correct. It is
 >  > Mahabharata that is recognized as the 5th Veda and
 >  > there is no dispute about
 >  > this.
 >  >
 >  > Nammazhwar is known as "Vedam Tamizh seitha Maaran".
 >  > It is he brought the
 >  > essnce of the 4 Vedas in his 4 Prabandams. When
 >  > these were lost to the
 >  > world, it was Sriman Nathamuni who documented
 >  > having assimilated them from
 >  > Swami Nammazhwar in a trance. This tradition
 >  > continued for some time and
 >  > again faced a period of decadence during and after
 >  > the period of Bhagavad
 >  > Ramanuja.
 >  >
 >  > All the 9 works of Ramanuja are in Sanskrit though
 >  > they faithfully reflected
 >  > the philosphy contained in the Prabandams which in
 >  > turn were themselves the
 >  > replica of the philosophy of the Vedas.Obcviously,
 >  > this was because of the
 >  > intolerance of the people in his times of whatever
 >  > was not in  the Deva
 >  > Baasha of Sanskrit.
 >  >
 >  > Some orthodox people objected to the recital of
 >  > Divya Prabanam in Sri Rangam
 >  > temple on the grounds that
 >  > - they included the works of Non-Brahmin Azhwars
 >  > - written in Dravida Baasha and
 >  > - Tiruvoimozhi in particular dealt with "Kama" that
 >  > was taboo for them.
 >  > Swami Desika argued with them and convinced them
 >  > that
 >  > - the holy collects were equal to Vedas since they
 >  > contained all that were
 >  > in the Vedas,
 >  > - that since they were in praise of the Lord, the
 >  > language doid not matter
 >  > and
 >  > - that the "Kaama" spoken of was nothing but
 >  > absolute devotion to the Lord.
 >  > He reinstituted the practice of "Adhyayana Utsava",
 >  > the ceremonial honoring
 >  > of the Azhwars at Srirangam (Not Tirumalai as made
 >  > out by Sri Parthiban).
 >  >
 >  > Again, it was not Swami Desika who first recognized
 >  > the equality of Vedas
 >  > and Prabandas, though it was he who convincingly
 >  > argued and established this
 >  > as mentioned in the above incident.
 >  > Dasoham
 >  > Anbil Ramaswamy



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