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Anand K Karalapakkam • Wed Sep 02 1998 - 19:34:46 PDT 


                                  Sri :
             Srimate  Sri Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brahmane Namaha
             Srimate Sri Lakshmi - Nrusimha Divya PAdukA Sevaka - 
         Srivan  Shatagopa  Sri NArAyana Yateendra MahAdesikAya Namaha      

     Dear  devotees,
     Namo NArAyanA . pranAmams. 

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Sri Sadagopan wrote:

> In summary , GaurangA is the Combined form of 
> Sri KrishNA ( VrajEsvarA ) and Sri RadhA RaaNi( Nappinnai?).

   adiyen asked Sri U.Ve.VillUr KarunAkaran swAmy about the identity of 
   nappinnai pirAtti & Smt rAdhA . Based on swAmi's response : 

   " Smt rAdhA is certainly not nappinnai pirAtti . They are two different
personalities , as evident from the purAnAs. Smt rAdhA is not mentioned
in either Srimad BhAgavatham or Vishnu purAnam & the like. In pAdma
purAnam  , she is mentioned as one of the gopIs & her origin is traced
to "GolOkA" (ie. KrishNalokA) , one amongst the lOkAs that are presided by
Sriman nArAyaNA through His vibhava avatArams " .

    There are various lokAs each presided by a vibhava avatAram 
    ie. rAma lOkA , KrishnalOkA etc exists within the material realm.
    Ardent devotees of such vibhava avatArams will go to such lokAs &
    enjoy the communion with Sriman nArAyaNA in that particular form.
    From there , they might adopt either "prapatti" or "bhakti yogA"
    to ascend to "Parama padam" ie. Sri vaikuNTham , the supreme abode
    of Sriman nArAyaNA. It is to be noted that those who have crossed
    the vIrajA river & went into Sri VaikuNTham have already left behind
    their connection with "prakruti" ie. matter . Basically , as long as
    connection with prakruti exists , it means that "karmA" is still
    binding that jIvAtmA. So , in Sri VaikuNTham since the connection with
    prakruti no longer exists for the jIvATmA, it has got rid of its karmA
    also.  

    mokshA is the state at which the dharmabhoota jn~Anam of the jIvAtmA
    is fully expanded & makes it act perfectly according to its svaroopam
    ie. uninterrupted bhagavad anubhavam & kainkaryam .This is ofcourse 
    possible only at Sri VaikuNTham .

    The curse to jayA & vijayA were given by maharishIs who were also 
    having connection with material body (ie. karmA in whatsoever amount 
    is still there with those maharishIs ) . These curses etc occurs only
    due to the connection with prakruti . There is no question of
    either cursing someone or making someone have connection with
    prakruti again at Sri vaikuNTham . Everything is made up of the
    material called "Suddha Sattvam" at Sri VaikuNTham & not even a trace
    of "prakruti" can be seen out there . 

    The meaning of "mokshA" is completely lost if someone says that a
    jIvAtmA that has obtained mokshA for now will come in contact with
    prakruti later , because of its "bad desires" to enjoy "prakruti"
    instead of serving nArAyaNA . This type of view referred as "fall
    down" of a jIvAtmA from Sri VaikuNTham to material world is not only a
    reality ( has no basis from sAstrAs) but also highly illogical for
    the following  reasons : 

    a. mokshA implies that one is going to have _permanent_ bliss due
       to the bhagavad anubhavam & kainkaryam to the Divya Dampati at Sri
       VaikuNTham . If the bliss is not permanent , then it is still not 
       "mokshA" .

    b. Sri VaikuNTham has only Suddha sattvam . There is no "source" for 
       a jIvAtmA to come up with a bad desire viz. to enjoy prakruti
       instead of serving nArAyaNA . Such a desire can happen _only_ when
       the jIvAtmA has connection with prakruti. Since there is no trace
       of prakruti in Sri VaikuNTham ,this is a complete impossibility.  
       Moreover , the dharmabhoota jn~Anam of the mukta jIvAtmA is
       completely expanded & it is already a sarvaj~nA .  

   Ofcourse , a jIvAtmA from one of the vibhava lOkAs like rAma lOkA ,
   KrishNa lOkA etc can come down to earth & perform either "bhakti" or
   "prapatti" and obtain moksham. But , those who have already done
   "prapatti" will proceed directly to Sri VaikuNTham & this is known as
   "sAyujyA" by which oneness with respect to Sriman nArAyaNA in terms of 
   dharma bhoota jn~Anam , kalyAna gunAs , divine form etc are awarded by
   Him . nArAyaNA is the only Sriya:pathi & no jIvAtmA is so. He performs
   creation , maintainance & destruction of material world which a jIvAtmA
   (muktA/nityasUrI) is not empowered to . These are the differences apart 
   from the inherent differences that is present with respect to the
   swaroopam. All muktAs & nityasUrIs serve the Divya Dampati in various
   ways according to their swaroopam .

   There can't be many Sri vaikuNThams (ultimate abode/spritual abode) for
   the simple reason that a muktA is sarvaj~nA => he knows the happenings
   at any place & at any time. The presence of different Spiritual Worlds
   ie. multiple Sri VaikuNThams has the implication that a muktA in one
   Sri VaikuNTham doesn't know the happenings in another Sri VaikuNTham .
   This multiple Sri VaikuNTham theory has this implication because a 
   muktA in one Sri VaikuNTham performs bhagavad anubhavam & kainkaryam
   _only_ to Sriman nArAyaNA in one of His forms presiding in that Sri
   VaikuNTham & doesn't relate himself to other forms of Sriman nArAyaNA. 
   Since a muktA is sarvaj~nA, there is no meaning to such division of
   space.

   Namo NArAyanA
   Adiyen
   Anantha PadmanAbha dAsan  
                      Sarvam  Sri KrishnArpanamastu