RE: [sv-poetry] Sri Vilakkoli Perumal, Thoopul/ThirutthaNkA dhiv ya Desam: Nithya AarAdhana kaimkaryam for VilakkoLi PerumAL and Swamy Desikan : Part XVII: Fourteenth SlOkam
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• March 28, 2002
srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha. Dear srImAn Sadagopan swamy. First let me reciprocate the Panguni Utthiram greetings to you. Thank you for your blessings on this holy day. I thank you very much for the immediate and elaborate reply. I still have that original doubt. The analogy of the mother's milk flow to the baby sucking it fits very well. But my doubt is that, do you say, the jeevAtmA has a little svAthanthryam on his/her part to do something so that it becomes a pretext for Sriman nArAyan to grant him/her the mOksham? If that is so, what actually the jeevAthmA is doing on his part. You have clearly stated that Sriman nArAyaNan shows a sadhAchAryan to the jeevAthmA and from there the sadhAchAryan takes the jeevAthmA to the point of doing prapatti and actually helps him in doing it. If that is the case, the seed is sowed by emberumAn only and once the seed is sown, it is natural on the part of the jeevAthmA to proceed in just the same way as the plants grow. However, if you are to say that, just sowing is not enough and someone has to water the plant, please note that, here the watering is done by the sadhAchAryan and no effort is needed on the part of the plant. But when the plant is watered properly it is natural for it to grow. So the plant is actually doing nothing and that is the position of jeevAthmA. Again superimposing this analysis on the krupa issue, please note that Thirumazhsaii AzhwAr in his Thirucchanda viruttham, says that emberumAn is capable of turning the back the jeevAthmA into wrong ways, if He wishes and this is due to His nirankusa swAthanthriyam. pAsuram 85: nacharAvaNaikkidandha nAdha! pAdha pOdhinil vaittha sindhai vAnguvitthu neenguvikka nee inam meitthan vallaiyAdhalAl aRindhanan nin mAyamE uiytthu nin mayakkinil mayakkal ennai mAyanE [AzhwAr says, "vaittha sindhai vAnguvithhu". This means He is capable to taking back the thoughts (about Him) that He has given to the AzhwAr (and hence the jeevAthmA) and also "neenguvitthu", meaning, completely getting rid off. His capability is expressed by the words " meitthan vallai" (surely you can). Finally says by doing this He is mesmerising (mayakkinil) him (AzhwAr) and hence "please do not do this to me"]. This pAsuram clearly, with any sibling of doubts in one's mind, brings out the "nirankusa swAthanthriyam" of emberumAn. So if He can change the thoughts as per His wish as per the above pAsuram, what is the need for Him to expect anything at all from the jeevAthmA to bestow His grace. So it seems that, it is only emberumAn who out of His own wish and sankalpa & kAruNyam and krupA, takes the jeevAthmA on the right path and hence give the salvation. On the other hand, if, as you said, He bestows this grace on the jeevAthmA, only based on his past good deeds according to the karma theory, then it is again a shortcoming on the part of emberumAn. This time it is on His guNA of "nirankusa swAthanthriyam" (Unfettered independence). This attribute of emberumAn is one of the main attributes glorified by all our poorvAchAryAs. As said above, if He is to bestow the grace, based on karma theory, then He will be only called as "sAstra vasyan" (bound by sAstrAs) and not "nirankusa swathanthran". Well, one may say that, the sAstrAs were created by Him, so there is nothing wrong if He follows it. Please note, there is nothing wrong if He "follows" it, but it cannot be that He is bound by it. As all of us know, He created the sAstrAs, basically as a guideline for us to lead a peaceful life. So He cannot be bound by the sAstrAs. Also, the nyAsa dasakam slOka which you have cited very clearly proves that there is no independant effort on the part of the jeevAthmA to earn His grace. Please note that the slOkA ends with the arterious words "nyasyathi mAm svayam" ("You" make me surrender to you). So how is it that the jeevAthmA is doing something at all on his part to attain His grace. Recently I was reading a book by Sri P.B Annangarachariar swamy in which he has quoted from MunivAhana bhOgam of swAmy dEsikar, the following. In the avathArikai, swAmy dEsikar says "kAraNa vasthu innadhenRu aRudhiyida mudiyAdha krupaiyinAlE......". Very clearly swAmy dEsikar says, that there is no reason for His grace. So how is it that some thing on the part of the jeevAthmA is required to receive His grace. I ask this question, as you have stated this as swAmy dEsikar's view. Maybe if there is a different interpretation to the above avathArikai, please enlighten me about it. Request you to kindly enlighten me on the above. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/7RdplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sv-poetry-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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