RE: [sv-poetry] Sri Vilakkoli Perumal, Thoopul/ThirutthaNkA dhiv ya Desam: Nithya AarAdhana kaimkaryam for VilakkoLi PerumAL and Swamy Desikan : Part XVII: Fourteenth SlOkam
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• April 1, 2002
[ As this discussion has less to do with poetry and more to do with doctrine, I request members to continue this discussion in sv-general and not in sv-poetry. Thanks -- Moderator ] srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha Dear srImAn Sadagopan swamy, While I await your clarification on the below matter, another thought came into my mind about it. Though at the outset, the mother-child analogy looks fit enough for some act on the part of the jeevAthmA, this is the one which will very clearly prove against it. When the child is born, who is teaching the child to suck the milk and how are they teaching. Does the mother teach the child? No. The child by nature does this job of sucking the milk. This is exactly the position of the jeevAthmA before ajnyAnA pervades him. Like the sucking is natural for the child, the knowledge that the jeevAthmA is a servant and slave of paramAtmA is very natural for the jeevAthmA and indeed it is one of the attributes of the jeevAthmA. Also does the child suck the milk, because it knows that, otherwise it will die? No. Again it is its nature or swaroopam. The child does not know that the action of sucking the milk is an upAya for its life. Like wise doing prapatti in its true form as "tvamEva upAya bhoothO me bhava ithi prArthanA mathi: saraNAgathi" (that is the prayer for emberumAn Himself to be upAyam is called prapatti) is natural or swaroopam for the jeevAthmA and it cannot be construed as a sAdhyOpAyam. On part of the mother (or emberumAn at the macro level), whether the child asks for milk (by way of crying) or not, she knows the right time to feed the child as she has utmost krupA over the child and anything to the child will be a loss to her. So here emberumAn knows when to feed the jeevAtmA with His grace and does it at the right time. When the flow of grace is there all that jeevAtmA has to do is to accept it . Again, for example a grown up child (grown enough to do some mischief but still on breast feeding) makes a mistake, does the mother make the child starve, especially if it is only her milk which is the diet for the child. No way. This is the kAruNyam of the mother towards her child and the same on part of emberumAn towards the chEtana. Here it is only the grace of emberumAn that can save the chEtana and the emberumAn knows this, even if the chEtana is not aware of this. Based on all the above, the analogy of Mother-Child only goes to prove that there is nothing on the part of the chEtana that he can do as an upAya to attain the grace of emberumAn. Request you to kindly clarify on the above lines too. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6GDALA/VovDAA/ySSFAA/7RdplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sv-poetry-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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