vibIshaNa saraNAgati
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T.V.Venkatesh • Fri Oct 16 1998 - 04:09:11 PDT
Srimathe nArAyaNAya namaha
Sri Mani wrote:-
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This point is well taken; the only reason the question came up
in the first place, however, is that our acharyas emphatically
say that without Sita, Rama punishes, and with Sita, Rama is
gracious. My friend, who has a very soft spot for his dear
Rama, feels that Rama is inherently gracious, even without the
constant presence of Sita, and cites as his evidence Vibhishana
Saranagati. Knowing my friend, this is not a case of reason for
reason's sake! He is asking for a convincing explanation, given
the proposition that has been set forth.
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In my opinion one can never deny the fact that pirATTi is always
present in perumAL's thirumArbu. Now if the question arises because
all the kAlakshEba adhikhArIs say that with Sita, Rama was gracious
but without Sita, He punishes, then this gives rise to a serious
doubt whether pirATTi is always present in perumAL's thirumArbu.
If Sri Mani's friend's doubt is whether really Rama is not gracious
enough without the presence of SIta, then I can ask this as a
separate question with our elders and clarify it.
But one should understand clearly that the question was, how did our
pirATTi do purushakAram for vibhIshaNA. For that question I believe
Dr. Venkatakrishnan's reply was suitable. Also many members have
expressed their opinions on the same ground.
One more interesting point which I heard in Dr. Venkatakrishnan's
upanyAsam is
PurushakAratvam is one of the gunas prescribed for pirATTi. In the
15th and the 16th sutram in Sri Vachana BhooshaNam, Sri Pillai
LOkAcharyAr describes what are the attributes for PurushakArA and the
upAyA.
PurushakAra here is pirATTi who pleads to perumAL for accepting the
saraNAgati of His fellow bhaktA. upAyA is perumAL Himself, who is
granting the mOkshA for His bhaktA who has done the saraNAgati.
Now Pillai LOkAchAryAr explains two things here. They are
1) dhOsham and 2) guNa hAni.
dhOsham is nothing but" doing things that we are not supposed to do"
guNa hAni is nothing but " not doing the things that we are supposed
to do". The first is called as "akritya karaNam" and the second is
called as "krtya akaraNam".
The duty of PurushakAra is to plead to upAyA for His/Her bhakta even
when the bhaktA just thinks of doing the saraNAgati. If this is not
done by the purushakAra then he/she will get guNa hAni (krtya
akaraNam). Also if the purushakAra says I will do the purushakAram
for you only when you really get rid of all the bad deeds, even after
the bhaktA feels for it and does saraNAgati, then this amounts to
doing what is not to be done - dhosham (akrtya karaNam).
Coming to our vibhIshaNa saraNAgati case, when vibhIshaNa pleads in
front of RAvaNA for releasing pirATTi, she comes to know of it. This
is the case where the bhaktA is doing good deed. When he comes to
surrender before rAmA, then pirATTi, probably by the third way from
the ThirumArbu of RAmA does the purushakAratvam or else she will
incurr dhOsham and guNa hAni. Also if She wouldn't have done it from
within the ThirumArbu of Sri RAmA then the very dangerous question of
existence of pirATTi in perumAL's thirumAbu arises. No one,
irrespective of kalai bEdham in Sri Vaishnavites will say that
pirATTi is not existing in perumAL's thirumArbu.
Hope I have added my two cents worth and probably Sri Mani's friend
is convinced. Before I finish I will also add some interesting thing.
Pillai LOkAchAryAr says that dhOsham and guNa hAni can be incurred
by emberumAn also. How? The duty of emberumAn is to accept the
purushakAratvam done by pirAtti. If for some reason He fails to do it
then He incurs guNa hAni. Also if He says that He will accept the
saraNAgati only after His bhaktA renounces all his bad deeds even
after pirATTi has done purshakAratvam, then this is similar to doing
what is not to be done and thus incurs dhOsham.
This itself proves that our emberumAn is such a kAruNyan, that He
accepts all the bad deeds of His bhaktA with bhOgyam and gives Him
the mOksha. This is also beautifully explained by Swami Desikan in
his dayA sathakam in SlokA 97 starting "outsukhyam...". AdiyEn do not
know the exact slokA and so does AruLALap PerumAL emberumAnAr in his
gnAna sAram. I don't remember the pAsuram. Shall write about it
shortly.
adiyEn RAmAnuja dAsan
Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh
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T.V.Venkatesh
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