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Re: Answers to Sri Mani + Info repeated again (Anuvaadham)+ Some history

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Vijayaraghavan Chakravarthy • October 23, 2002 


Dear ShrI Venkataraghavan:

You had mentioned that Appayya Dikshitar failed to prove  the following 
hypothesis.  Do you have any reference (a non SrI Vaishnava):

>1) Tried to Identify Siva as ParaBramhan(SivaParathva Vaadham)
>2) Tried to Introduce another Bramhan or Paramathma Higher than Siva or
>Naarayana.(Thureeya Vaadham)
>3) Tried to Put Siva and Naarayanaa in the same plane.(Samathva Vaadham)
>4) Tried to identify Siva and Naarayana( I-kiyaa Vaadham)
>5) Wrote a Stotra on Dhevaperumal ie Lord Varadarajan and also wrote
>Nayamayuka Maalika.

Thanks.


S. Vijayaraghavan
Buffalo/NY





>From: "K.S.Venkataraghavan" 
>Reply-To: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com
>To: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Answers to Sri Mani + Info repeated again (Anuvaadham)+ Some 
>history
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:17:02 -0700
>
>Dear Sri Mani
>
>My answer was to Sri Visu who mentioned it was a latter interpolation
>that Visnu was identified with Narayana
>
>As I havent done any traditional Kaalkshebam on Vedartha Sangraham I am
>not in any capacity to comment or quote from the same.
>
>But whatever "kriukal"(Scribbling) I did was from mere Textual Knowledge
>(from reading books) which is really dangerous..
>
>(I had to take a chance and still dont know how many abathams I have
>commited and that I am going to commit.)
>
>Mani as you said the Riks under consideration doesnt really indicate the
>Supremecy of Vishnu unquivocally.
>
>But let us analyse this.
>
>Agni is partyaksa devatha..  The offerings to devathas are done through
>agni and hence channelized through agni and offereings that are made to
>all devathas go to Vishnu. Which is why it is stated that Agni is lowest
>of all devas and Vishnu the highest and that Yagna Purushan is Vishnu.
>
>That is the "Lakshyaartham" of the above Rik..
>
>Note if textual meaning is found against the meanings of other
>statements in Vedas one must inclined to "Lakshyartham"(Conceptual 
>Meaning).
>
>******
>You said...
>******
>  >>
>Recall that Vishnu in the traditional grouping is one of the
>Adityas, and therefore one of the solar deities, and can be
>classified with Surya for this purpose.
>  >>
>
>I am not sure about such an interpretation. However I can recall that
>traidtional Baashyams conclude that Paramapurushan is been praised as
>the one who is the centre and highest in the Aadithya Mandalam. I will
>confirm this though with exact Paramanas and Baashyams though.
>
>(Which is why Parama Vaideekas... hold that Gaayathri Manthra indicates
>and Praises Parama Purusha who is none other than Vishnu/Naarayana)
>
>In Vedas you have many "Purovadas" and "Anuvadhas".. That is (the
>meaning of  a sentance is repeated again elsewhere in another sentance
>(in another form)and still retaining and implying the same meaning as
>before..
>
>One can identify many such instances/statements in Vedas.
>
>Sree Baashyakaara turned to Statements which explicitly imply the
>Parathvam of Vishnu(as you said) and which identify the Supreme diety it
>with Narayanaa.
>
>That is to say that Parama Purushan who is Narayaana is the deity who is
>popularly known as Vishnu so he turned to such statements and leaned
>more towards those statements (which are nearly innumerable) that hold
>Parama Purushan , Paramaathmaa as Naarayanaa .
>
>Whatever the reason for which you kindled this discussion....:).... I
>believe and am under impression I have answered  (a doubt??) you..
>
>Neverthless  pardon Me as I am still not yet convinced with whatever
>answer I msyelf have provided with to  (because of the reason I cited
>earlier) and also that there could be more "Samaadhaanams"  if
>supposedly(or for sure that) your claim is true for which I am sure that
>I must do some homework.
>
>Period...
>-------
>According to Meemmsa Nyaayam any "Saamanya Sabdham" must end in "Visesha
>Sabdam".
>
>There are many generic statements/terms in Vedas that indicates the one
>who is fit to be worshiped..
>
>Vedas call the worhsiped(the one fit to be worshiped rather) as Param
>tathvam Para Brammam Paramathma with generic statements/terms.
>
>And with each of such generic statements a special name/term is
>mentioned many times.
>
>This special name/term is none other than Narayana and this is used
>along with all generic statements/terms (mentioned before) many times.
>
>The questions that araises are. as follows
>
>What does this term Narayanaa mean??
>
>Who is this Narayana??
>
>Why cant we indicate any one by inferring the term Narayanan
>(after splitting the name and arriving at the meaning)??
>
>Th answer is......as rules of Panini doesnt allow this .. as the way the
>term Naarayanan is spelt it could only be a Proper noun (Roodi Sabdham)
>and can never be a Common noun(Youwkeegam)
>
>**********
>Some History
>**********
>It is good that Sri Visu raised this because this surely exposes the
>Strength of Vishnu Parathvam.
>
>As Sri Visu did (analyzing names standing in different planes and
>MISSING the obvious) Sree Appaya Deekshitha tried the same few centuries
>before.
>
>An example of one his few "Kainkaryams" is quoted here as follows.
>
>Infer the meaning "NaarayanaParam   Bramham" as "Naarayanath Param
>Bramham" (Trying to prooove that Para Bramham is different and higher
>than Naarayana) But couldnt establish as in Maho Upanishdh  the same is
>stated as "Naarayanaha ParamBramaha."
>
>Sree Appaya Deekshitha tried to the follwing and procedded from one to
>the other as mentioned below  as he failed to achieve the objective (
>(and dont miss what he did atlast..)
>
>1) Tried to Identify Siva as ParaBramhan(SivaParathva Vaadham)
>2) Tried to Introduce another Bramhan or Paramathma Higher than Siva or
>Naarayana.(Thureeya Vaadham)
>3) Tried to Put Siva and Naarayanaa in the same plane.(Samathva Vaadham)
>4) Tried to identify Siva and Naarayana( I-kiyaa Vaadham)
>5) Wrote a Stotra on Dhevaperumal ie Lord Varadarajan and also wrote
>Nayamayuka Maalika.
>
>(Or would some one bounce back and say He took/did the last one first
>and revrsed the order?)
>
>regards
>Venkataraaghava Dhaasan
>
>
>
>
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