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K.S.Venkataraghavan • October 22, 2002 


Dear Visu

I request you NOT to read this mail and grasp what is converyed with any 
"OPEN" mind. Because such type of mindset would lead only to erroneous conclusions.

But pray please read the same with a mindset that orients towards the Saastharas and Vedas.

If you feel that I have made any "Grab it from thin air and quote" kind of 
comments or statements please correct me.

Period
 
The term Vishnu cannot mean any one else but Sriman Naaryaana with 
whatever rules of grammar one can use.

True that Vishnu is chanted alon with few lesser devathas..and that he has been said he is a 
companion of Indra. etc etc.

Now the questions is .. Is he equated with lesser devathas explictly or implcitly?? 
and to conclude to say  he is a lesser deity or devatha??.

The same Rig vedam says Agni is the lowest of all devas and Vishnu is 
the highest. and that for all the yagna the yagna purushan(Ultimately 
the offering goes to him) is Vishnu.

The term Vishnu means Srava Vyaapi..

As space (aagaaasam) is also prevades (does indwell though) would you 
equate aakasm with Vishnu??

Sarva vyaabithvam is one of Kalyaana Gunaam of Para Bramhan...

Period.. 
The following few sentance/ paras may be out of context nevertheless it 
is important know and I must quote this.But if you go through the same you will know
what significance it has in this context

*****
 Veda Kutrushtis tried to equate/identify the term Naarayaanan with 
other lesser dieties and as Paaninis Grammar failed them they couldnt 
succeed.

(But now to slightly counter this difficulty they have a new "Paatam" in 
Naraayana Soktham Instead of chanting "Sa Bramha Sa Siva Sendhra 
Sokshara parama Swarat" they include Sa Hari which is not even found in 
earlier editions of Saayana Baashyam)

(Note eveone does chant it as Sa -Indhra unlike Sa Bramha Sa Siva but 
Sendhra)

If chanted with Sa Hari it differntiates between Naaryana and Hari.

*****

The term Naraayana couldnt mean any one other than Vishnu and that to as 
the vedas clearly "Hrischathey Laksmhi Chaptnyow"(Or does anyone have a different Paatam??)

Please let us not confuse with Linear Algebra or Abstratct Algebra 
coordinate geomtery and dimensions and Parathvam here.

"Parabramham Yukthiglaalum Anumaanathinaalum Saadhikapaduvadhu alla." 

"Sassthraa thinaal Mattumaey SaadhikaPaduvadhu".. 

Contextual,textual meaning and Verbatim yes indeed can be different.

Which is why people couldnt try to use Naraayana for any other lesser 
devathaas.(But introduced a "Sthree Lingam" for the same viz "Naarayanee" to support their spurious claim??)

"Tad Vishno Paramam padham Sadhaa pashayanthi Soorayaha"..[Padhaam here 
according to Most prevelant baashyams would mean Staahanam" which clearly Indicates
the paratvam of Vishnu.]

Vishnoo ....Paramaey Padahey..... Madhva Utsaha would refer to Soma 
juice (note that soma juice isnt the one that is misuderstood as an 
intoxicating juice).. 

Valli (as found in Ananda Valli in Taitria Upanishadh) signifies Creeper.
Soma is stated as Bramhananda Rasa in Rig Veda.

(The whole of Rig Veda 9th Madlala is full of praise of such a Soma Juice).
and read the Tait.Upanisadh Statement it says "Raso Vai Saha" and also Bramhan is described
as "AanandaMaya". Dont you see any comaprison between these two Vedic Statements??.

The same Smahitha itself declares Soma is available only at "heights" 
and only the adventerous can have him."

The Rig Samhitha says "Him whom Bramhans call soma no one can(ordinarily) drink"

The Aitreya and Taitriya Bramhana declares that Soma flourished "at the third foot of the lord"

So now does it answer the question and confusions about "Third Step of The lord" and what 
is referred as Soma Juice here?

Please understand that in Vedas refer Para Brahman with various terms.
It even refers to  "Matter/Prakruthi" as "Kaarana vasthu".. so what approach 
must one take to conclude the karana Vashtu?? ??

In Kausthiki (Samhitha?) Pradharthna Vidya Indra says he is the only one to be meditated upon to attain
Moksha..

Look at Madhu Vidya here vasus adhithyas and Rudras are praised.

In Atharva sira upansihadh Rudra is mentioned as the highest.

So who could be Para Bramhan.??

No where in Vedas Naraayana or Vishnu or Vasudeva is chanted or equated or identifed  as 
anything lesser than that of Para Bramhna or Kaarana vasthu.

Though the  term Indra or Rudra or Prakruthi have been referred to as 
Supreme being.. at the same time they have also been referred to as a 
lesser devathas and that they are born owing to Karma. There are "Utbathi 
Vaakyaams"(Sentances that show/mention origin for all such devatas.

How will you reconcile such statements??

As Mani quoted Siva Indra can mean anyone.(Roodi meaning or Yowkeeka 
meaning decide which "plane or dimension" to choose )

But for brevity sake I am not going in to the details of the same..

But .. how come all vedanthis take the same "plane" to conlude on who 
the "Para barmhan".. ?? Were they not aware of any other "planes" or dimensions or they 
though this is  the only one "plane" or one "dimension"??....

(Including always misquoted by people who claim to be his own followers ....Sri Addhi Sankraachaarya 
who never ever would have thought or thought about any other deities as 
para barhman(that can be Savisesha Bramhan/ Or Vyaavharika Bramhan)other than Sriman Naaryaana)

So now think if it is one deva who is the highest..Or all the devas are the highest?? 

[Dont think about the notorious "Shanmatha Sthaabanam" which 
Adi Sankaraas followers claim to be established By Aaacharya hismelf]

For which Purusa Sooktham gives a clear cut answer.. (Till now people havent laid their dirty hands there)

Sarva Vyaabithvam Parathvam are one of the few distinct Qualities of 
Para Bramhan who with no doubt can be anyone other than Naaryana.

In strictest sense as according to you it looks as if it is true that 
the terms Vishnu and Naarayana can mean the same if we take only the 
textual meaning ...dont you see them as "Sarva Vyaapithvam" as a 
charctrestic of Para Bramhan and So the devatha who prevades everything 
[as in Anthar Bahischa That Sarvam Vyaapyaa Naraayna Stithaa to put an 
end to the confusion if Vishnu could mean "space" which also prevades] 
is called Vishnu and who is also Naarayaana (or the other way around))

Let us understand that Vedas take a round about method while referring 
to Para Bramhan  and at last clearly with no doubts  mentions who the 
para barhma could be. 

[And Our Aruli Cheyalgal Clearly indicates and show us who could be Para Bramhan with no doubt]

Isnt he identified as the one whose consorts are Bhoomi Neela and Lakshmi??

Purushothaman means the first among all purushas the formeost among all 
purushas .. How can this be any one other than Para Bramhan and that too 
equated to an "achethana" ??

I believe and understand that Maharishi Patanjili doesnt belong to any 
Vaideeka Mathams and his Yoga Sutras are definately not in tune with 
Vedantham or Vaideekam and have been refuted by Vedathins.
 
This problem has been discused with so many with so many times with so many people for so 
many years so many decades and and few centuries.. and if it is Bagavaath Sankalpam that it has to be 
perennial... we are all helpless.  (Bagavan here and always means SriMan Narayana)(Roodi or Youwkeegam
please decide again)

Before I would end (or may be continue depending on your answer) ....
please Sri Visu I request you to quote from Sri Desikan's works and 
Shree Baashyaakara to substantiate your claim that Shre eDesikan intoduced this concept.

Please spare them they need not be played with.

regards
K.S.Venkataraaghavan

P:S:- What does the term "Visu"(Vishwanathan)  mean..whom does it 
indicate ??? what does the name mean?

I will give you a small analogy how meaning of names are inferred.

My father's name is SriSylaRagaavchaar. One of the respected gentlemen here in IIT Madras asked me..
Sri Saylathula Raaghavnaa?? (Srisylam is famous Siva templein A.P).
 for which I humbly answered that "the term SriSylam could only mean Thiru Mala ie Tirupathi.
(Roodi?? Yowkegam which plane??)

The name "Venkata Subramanyam could also mean "Venkatthil Irukum Nandraaga Thudhika Padum Devan"

Subramnyam means "the one who is being well praised" ..

Swaminathan would also mean our DevaNathan or Devarajan or devaperumal.

Do we need more mappings??









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