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RE: /cinnaJ/ciRu kAlE: Shri Harikrishnan's and Shri Vasudevan's c omments

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M.G.Vasudevan • October 3, 2002 


Dear sri vaishnava perunthagaiyeer,

When sri hari krishnan and sri nanmaran has pointed these grammar points
they are good points for me to learn, for, as I said earlier, I am not good
at tamil grammar.
 
It is seen that suddenly Sri nanmaran wants to give a list of things of "do
not do".  

I am pained very much.

As though some body has accused of aandaal being an immature etc, when he
adds "She was not a amateur poet to put wrong words and allow us to modify
later. Please note there is no one unwanted word put and no one wanted word
missed out in the pasurams. That is why even the great manavaaLa maamuni has
sung in praise of her as anjukudikoru santhathiyaay, aazhwaar thancheyalai
vinji nirkum thanmaiyalaai, pinjil pazhuthaaLai, aandaaLai bakthiyudan
naaLum vazhuthaai manamE magizhnthu.. Let us leave our EGO aside and try to
see the elixir of aandaaL's pasurams.". 

Even a simple following of the posts does not hint that somebody has done
that. 

Furthermore, what ever discussion takes place, it is on the interpretations
ONLY  repeat interpretations ONLY 

and 

NOT, repeat NOT touching the paasuram for its original content. 

Let us understand this first. 

So where is the question of  modifying the paasuram or accusing aaNdaaL. 

Just as a sort of points [about the freedom in thinking and enjoying new
anubhavams about which Sri Mani has already added] when a different thing is
said, let us have it, analyse it and then reject it, if it is found wanting
in many aspects, instead of shutting saying enough is said about this
already . 

Then I do not know what research is - please elucidate me - for I am only an
engineering person that too moderately read in engg also - in particular on
Srivaishnavam and conducting courses for BA, MA, or PHD in sri vaishnavam on
which there is a spate of mails in the different lists. 

Dhasan 

Vasudevan  m.g.

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   -----Original Message-----
	From:	Nanmaaran [SMTP:nanmaaran@yahoo.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:18 AM
	To:	bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	Re: /cinnaJ/ciRu kAlE: Shri Harikrishnan's and Shri
Vasudevan's comments

	Dear Sir,
	Let us not try to force our thought into the pasurams like this.
Enough discussions and points were given and still let us not attempt to
somehow divert meanings..(valinthu poruL kollaamal irukka vEndukirEn..).
	She was not a amateur poet to put wrong words and allow us to modify
later. Please note there is no one unwanted word put and no one wanted word
missed out in the pasurams. That is why even the great manavaaLa maamuni has
sung in praise of her as anjukudikoru santhathiyaay, aazhwaar thancheyalai
vinji nirkum thanmaiyalaai, pinjil pazhuthaaLai, aandaaLai bakthiyudan
naaLum vazhuthaai manamE magizhnthu.. Let us leave our EGO aside and try to
see the elixir of aandaaL's pasurams.. regards, Nanmaaran 
	Visu9@aol.com   wrote:/Om namO nArAyaNAya ||
		> Shri Harikrishnan and Shri Nanmaaran have raised the issue
that if the > expression refers to "leg", the correct expression should have
> been /cinaJ/ciru kAl. I do think that that is a valid point of view, but
> Shri /ANTAL must have considered it and rejected it for a reason somewhat
> along the following lines: > Let us look at the rhymes: They >
		> are /ciRRam, /poRRA, /peRRam, /kuRRE, /iRRai, /eRRaikkum
/uRROmE, > and /maRRai. 

		> Let us try replacements:  > /cinnaJ, /ponn(am), /????,
/kunRi, /inRu, /enRu, /unRan or /untan, and /mannum. > There are other
variations that are available. But the word /peRRam seems to > be unique.
And that was the point I wished to make, when I wrote my original >
translation of the /pAcuram for celebrating /krushnA/jayanti. > It seems to
me that /ANTAL put all her literary weight on that > expression /peRRam and
opted for variations like /ciRRam and /iRRai etc. 


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