question on heart and faith
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• October 7, 2001
Dear devotees of the Lord, Please accept my pranams. Here I would like to ask one question on which I have been thinking for a very long time. Sri Malolan Cadambi is trying to present the evidence that the heart (or let us say feeling) is only a designation given to us by material nature. (to what we should definetely agree) And the soul is beyond all such designations. And the Absolute Truth cannot be reached, felt or understood by such faculties. So my question is - What is faith or Sraddha? Is faith only a qualified condition of our mind and inteligence? Or is it the only true substential experience of Spiritual Reality in this world, felt in the "heart" of the soul, and independent from all our material designations? Where is the ultimate confirmation that Spiritual Reality and the Supreme Lord are truly "real"? Is it in the scripture? Or is it with the soul in the form of faith? Does the scripture gives the faith to the soul? Or the faith of the soul recognizes the scripture and takes it guidance and instruction on its journey? Your insights into this subject will be greately appreciated. Yours sincerely, damodar Srinivas Fine Arts Ltd. Sivakasi Dear Shree Damodara Swarup, Here is what I found in the pramanas. Logic and Heart: --- 1.) Philosophical Principles are beyond logic and the human heart. This is evident from the following pramana; "When all the desires of the heart harbours are gone, man becomes immortal and reaches the brahmman here" (From the Katha Upanishad as quoted by Sri Mysore Hiriyanna) Atma Shakshatkaram is one of the goals for a jiiva. Here the heart is different from the jiiva. Using Logic to Understand Philosophical Principles --- Philosophical principles are not just in the domain of scholarly investigation, but they are beyond logic. Tarka plays an important role in understanding the pramana, but definitley, philosophical principles are beyond tarka, as again evident in the following pramana. "Naisha Tarkena Matirapaneya -Logic does not determine philosophical truths - which are beyond the the realm of senses" Katopanisad Hope this helps. Adiyen, Malolan Cadambi ----- Original Message ----- From: "damodara svarup"To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: is there one truth? > Dear devotees, > > Pranams. > > > In reply to Malola Cadambi's posting - I feel that > this is not an attitude of one who is Truth seeker. > > As far as I can understand here we are dealing with > Absolute and Relative considerations. > > On the relative plane we can all be mutualy respectful > - untill there is the crossing of the line of Truth. > > Once somebody crosses the line of Truth, relative > considerations becomes secondary. > > The Truth is the Absolute consideration. > > How our heart can respect falsity?!!!!! > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. > > Your sincerely, > > damodar > > Srinivas Fine Arts Ltd. > Sivakasi ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in.groups.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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