re: creation
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• May 3, 2002
SrI: Dearest srivaishnavas, Creation - if it amounts to creating new jIvAs (though the Lord is capable of) then it amounts to starting everything fresh. meaning: He needs to be partial in the beginning and as to what basis the first birth takes shape on, if it is not bound by Karma. (as also vouched in Gita that the jIva is eternal). na thvEvAham jAthu nAsam na thvam mamE janAdhipA: | na chaiva na bhavishyAma: sarvE vayamatha: param. || There was and never will b any time when we shall cease to exist. I, the Supreme self, and the Lord am eternal and ever existing. In the same way, you, arjunA and the others too who are all here, are all eternal. Just as I am beginningless and eternal, you (jiVas) are also. You were all existing and will continue to exist. This Karma and Jiva- it is like the tree and the seed concept. The tattva thrayam (Chith, achith and Iswaran) have always been there either in sUkshumam (fine) or in sthUlam (gross). The Divine principle (the Lord)- Paramathman- Iswaran- Sriya: Pathi Sriman Narayanan is the material cause of the manifested worlds as well as the nimitta and Sahakari (instrumental and auxiliary) causes. The entire position of Cosmology is explained in SarIra SarIri relationship. The Paramathman is the SarIri and teh sarIra is the Universe or the worlds and jIvas/ The relationship is inseparable at anytime. Each of these jIvas is eternal and persists independently in its own nature even in the state of praLaya. Each new srishthi is a repetition of earlier order at a higher level. The cyclic spriral evolution carries on till the peak is touched. Thus praLaya and srshti become enfolding and unfolding of the process. Thirumazhisai AzhwAr writes: Thirucchandha viruttham (10) thannuLE thiraitthezhun tharanga veN thadankadal thannulE thiraitthezhundhu adanguginRa thanmai pOl ninnuLE piRandhu iRandhu niRpavum thiribavum ninnulE adanguginRa neermai ninkaN ninRandhE.. This answers all our doubts. The deep vast sea which has the entire gamut of waves in them, brings the waves out to a huge heights and takes it back to itself.. Similarly, in You, the movable and the non movable (the chith and achith) are born out of You and then ultimately go back to You during praLaya. (forgive me for my poor translation) Bhattar also refers this to peacock spreqading its beauitful feathres out while dancing and takes is back. So, the jiVA is bound by its karmA which is anAdhi like the jIva itself. Trust I have not confounded the confusion. Regards Namo narayana aDiyEn _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldÂ’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Group Home: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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