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Re:The why of creation and Subsequent postings

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K.S.Venkataraghavan • May 3, 2002 


"Shree Bhoomi neel Smetha Shree Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brmanye Namaha.."

Dear Bagavdhothamaas.
 >>>>
Sri Varadan quoted..

>for e.g. thiruvAymozhi - "aaruyirEyO agalidam muzhudum
>
>padaiththu idandhu uNdu umizhndu aLandhu"..
>
>rough translation - "Oh the dear one who created, 
>saved,  swallowed, regurgitated and measured the 
>entire universe"....
>
>And in many other verses, the word "padaiththal" 
>(creating) is used in the sense of creating souls and 
>everything else....
>
 >>>>> I dont think padaithal(creating) were used in the sense of 
creating SOULS or even Matter....
 
Padaithal is transformation of subtle from to gross form."Sookshama 
chith achith form to Sthoola Chith achith form"(Ivay rendirkum 
advaitham... Vissitadhwaitham (one of the definations for the term Pan 
orgal Monism (Visistadhwaitham)) ..

^^^^ Please note many people use "Qualified Monism"  but many Vidhwans 
with english knowldge feel "PanOrgalMonism" is the right word for the 
term Visishtadwaitham^^^^

Or from Singularity(as in quantum physics) to pluraity as we percieve 
this universe now)...

Souls matter and Ishwara (also add Vedas) are not "created" by anyone.

Not even did Ishwara create Soul or Matter..

NONE of OUR  Sampradhaaya texts or scriptures say that SOULS are CREATED..

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Finally it ..boils down to the "perception of the observer(psychology enters the 
scene now!)". Quantum mechanics has so much philosophical 
implications.

 >>>

Probably Maaran Satagopan  meant only the above whn he says "

uLanenil uLan_avan* uruvam_ivvuruvugaL*
uLanalanenil, avan* aruvamivvaruvugaL*
uLanena ilanena* ivaiguNa mudaimaiyil*
uLan_iru thakaimaiyodu* ozhivilan paranthE..

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Now to the "scientific revelations"...

The  famous Schordinger's cat disprooves the 
theory of quantum physicists which is as follows..
>>
 The state of a particle cannot be known precisely until the particle is observed;
in other words, each and every particle has a probability of being in any
state. It does not exist in a particular state until an experimenter observes
it.
>>>
remember all laws and theories break while tryin ot conclude on what was the state of universe 
before plank's time.(before 10^-43 seconds)

A deeper understanding of quantum vaccum (which isnt just "emptiness" or vaccum in the real sense).. 
It is just filled with "potentiality" .... This theory may throw some more light.....
(but casimir effect may again confuse your concluions about the comparison we would wnat to make with the
postulates of our sampradhaaya..)......

But "the creation and destruction of pairs particles and anti particles 
in quantum vaccum (as in the Casmir efect).."  is somewhat simillar to what said in veda that 
chith and achith are like sparks in a fire which appear for a moment from bramhan and then get destroyed.

It all boils down to one simple thing ... We all have limitations to understand...

And it also shows that if we try to see everything through the "western sense" we have potential
pitfalls everywhere.


Perhaps it is time for the scientists to search for clues in Vedas and Other monumental works..

So why do you have to confuse ourself and "break" our head?? ..when our great achaaryas repeatedly say..

"saasthra yonithvaath"
or simply ... "Kannal kaana-padaadha-adharku Saasthramey Pramaanam"..

But again saasthra confuses us with so many seemingly contradictory concepts (as seen in veda for example)..

One of the easy approach is....as Thoopul Kulamaini Swami Desikan says.. 

If one wears "the Spectacles made of Astaaksharam" and look at the vedas then one 
will know and understand the purport of the same.

Now again what is that so called spectacles astaaksharam?? 

It is the knowldge you gain (from a sadhaacharyan again) 
after having learnt the meaning and purport of astaaksharam.

But to know that you must approach a aacharyan with all humility... 
like Arjuna did as he says "karpaanyevaath.. Thvaam parapannam" in Geetha..
 
and as Madhura Kavi says "Payannadraagilum .... Pani Kolvan" 

Seek and enquire in to Bramhan by seeking a proper achaarya...

With whatever scientific knowldge we have and with the knowledge we gain from a sadhaacharyan
we can and that will surely help us all to know the answers for our struggle.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

If adiyen has made any mistakes in the above "kirukakals" 
Adiyen request the learned members to correct..

regards
Dhaasaaanu Dhaasan
Venkataraghava Dhaasan..




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