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Re: Expansion verses Creation

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vaidhehi_nc • Thu May 02 2002 - 18:26:57 PDT 


SriRama Jayam

Dear suresh
           I agree with your points. I would like to say something.
Big Bang theory is valid on the assumption that universe came into 
being at some finite time(time is still relative acc. to physicists 
nobody talks about absolute time which Lord krSNA talks). There is 
something called Olber's paradox. Acc. to this, universe did not 
exist forever otherwise you would see the entire sky bright even in 
the night which you don't see(it's dark in the night!). Nobody knows 
what exactly happened within first few secs of the Big Bang. It 
assumes that universe was like a small ball with tremendous energy
(nuclear forces are dominating the gravity but still you need both 
Relativity and Quantum mechanics to explain the very initial status 
of Big Bang). There is a nice book by a Nobel Laureate Steven 
Weinberg on "first three minutes". Energy is so enormous b'coz of the 
infinite density. The so called expanding/contracting model of the 
universe(which has taken ideas from Big Bang)doesn't talk about 
nothingness. When the universe contracts,physicists mean a point with 
infinite density. All the molecules are condensed in a small space 
that short range forces like(nuclear forces)are dominating the long 
range forces(gravity). It starts losing energy(due to nuclear)through 
burning and slowly gets cooled as the temperature gets reduced
(Energy=mass*light speed*light speed, acc to special relativity,also 
energy is proportional to 4th power of temperature acc to Stefan's 
law). Too much of physics. Let's forget all this nonsense. 

Note:THere is a series of discussion between a quantum physicist 
David Bohm and the philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurthy in a book 
called "Ending of time". Both are advaitins. The tragedy is that the 
physicist misses an important point in research namely "quantitative 
aspect" when he tries to compare the Whole and the Part and equates 
the two perfectly by giving holography as an example. 

To quote your own spider example,spider forms/creates the web from 
the available ingredients within itself and also knows how to 
produce/form that web. You can't call that process as an expansion. 
It's a production/creation. 

The same Lord krSNA says in BG that HE is the author of the vedas. HE 
doesn't mean that He expands vedas. He represents vedas. I think in 
Srimad Bhagavatham PerumAL says "I pervade everything but nothing 
pervades Me"!

Main point: karmA/jIvA wrt God. 

Consider your plant example.

Let's assume that plants come from the seed. Seed is the starting 
point in the manifested form. Who created the seed?

Let's assume that God created the seed. In unmanifest form,the seed 
was inside Him. Where is the question of karmA of seed in 
unmanifested form? 

In unmanifested form HE alone exists. Only in manifested form there 
are many,of course all are real. It's meaningless to talk about karma 
in unmanifested form. It's very weird.  

Nobody is going to live that long to witness anything. Blessed are 
those who have pure love(it's easy to say but difficult to develop!)
for Sriman NArAyaNa. 

Forgive me for saying too much on physics(It's not a physics forum)
Only God can answer this question. 

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr TiruvadigaLE saraNam
sarvam krSNArpaNam astu
gita  





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