nature of the soul and its liberation
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• May 11, 2000
SrImate Ramanujaya namaH Namo Narayanaya, Respected Bagawathas, adiyen's pranamams. I have a question from my firend. i hope some of the learned scholars in the forum can help him. adiyen Narasimha dasan Sri Sita Ramachandra Parabrahmane namah. My respectful namaskarams to the members of this forum.I've a question regarding the validity of a very famous example quoted by the advaitis regarding the nature of the soul and its liberation from material entanglement. They say that the jiva is like space enclosed in a pot(ghatAkAsha) and the the Nirguna Brahman is like the space outside pot(MahAkAsha). ie. The Nirguna Brahman becomes conditiond by Maya just as a space becomes covered by the pot.Once the pot breaks, there is no difference between the space which was covered by the pot and the space outside.In the same way when the covering of Maya is unveiled, the jiva is non-different than the Nirguna Brahman. The advaitins quote a few scriptural references in support of this view. Srimad Bhagavatam: ghate bhinne yathAkAsa AkAsah syad yathA purA evam dehe mritejivo brahma sampadyate punah (12.5.5). Brahma Bindu Upanishad: ghata samritamAkAsham liyamane ghate yatha ghato liyate nAkAsham tatvatjivo nabhopamah. As space enclosed in a jar remains in its own place even when the jar is moved to another locality, for it is the jar that is moved and not the space, or as a jar enclosing a space may be broken into pieces but the space remains the same and is not destroyed, so is the soul like space. ( If I remember correctly, there is a similar description is their in Amrita Bindu Upanishad.) Also in the Muktika upanishad, when Lord Rama instructs Hanuman about the different types of mukti, he explains that "videha mukti is that type of mukti which is obtained after the destruction of the body just as the sky in the pot merges with the rest of the sky". Sri vedanta desika refutes this argument in TMK by saying that the merging of the sky in the pot into the rest of the sky as per the advaitic explanation is not tenable as this will imply the destructuion of the jiva itself.But the sruti says that jivas are eternal.I'm able to undertsand this .But I'm not clear about the Vaishnava acharya's stand in explaining this example.I humbly request the members of this forum to give the vaishnava understanding of this illustration. Trying to be a humble servant, L.Harikumar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/4/_/716111/_/958084381/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@eGroups.com Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information
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