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Re: [Oppiliappan] A doubt in grace.

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s.ramachandran • March 5, 2003 


Wonderful poser.  .

Question is : does it matter?  Assume for a moment god does not listen to
your prayers. Do you have a choice?
No.  Whether you pray or not is immaterial.   God, Heaven, Perumal, etc.
call any name, but you cannot deny the omnipresence of an entity beyond
your senses, beyond your mind, beyond your body, beyond your intellect and
knowledge.

Under this entity's hold the entire universe operates. You may claim that
you have a distinct and perhaps somewhat superior capabilities - as a human
you have something called the brain, mind, intelligence, thinking capacity
etc. - but this is still limited and cannot comprehend the Immeasurable.

You have created the concept of God because the mind cannot find an answer
to your constant quest for something beyond yourself/beyond your
body-mind-nexus.

And to chat with God, again you have created something called prayer.

So both God and prayers are your own creation.  Now what is fact and what
is fiction ?

To know sincerely, and not indulge in idle curiosity for passing time, one
must give  a lot.  The first step is the last step. To reach far we must
start from very near.

So, respected Madam do you sincerely wish to know?

Beware, the writer is not assuring you any concrete answer which is what
everyone one of us want and seek. A certainity so that they can follow that
certainity and also confirm whether the certainity meets their own
'idea'concept'.  The point the writer is making is that this question is a
dynamic one and it all depends on the inclination of the seeker.  It
changes from time to time, season to season, external influences, social
influences and so on.  All these must be set aside and the mind made empty
for the benediction to happen

The writer's focus, interest and devoution is to the twin subjects of Yoga
and Sandyavandanam. To some extent he can say that Yes, through
preparation, one may make oneself (the mind/body nexus) fit to investigate
whether there is God and if so whether God listens to prayers? what is
God's role? Whether God is male or female? etc.
But this requires preparations.  It is a long and ardous journey.  Not an
impossible one though.  It is a discovery in devoution.  You have to plumb
the depths of your mind to get into a silence where thought cannot
penetrate. In this very brief, abrupt silence occasional flashes of
something which is Pure may perhaps come about.

There is a simpler way to start preparations.  Can you tell what do you
like doing most? Is there something, say driving, or swimming or maybe
cooking a dish. This must not necessarily have any reason, rationale,
logic. It has got to be absolutely something which is unique to you and for
no reason whatsoever.  Next, find out why you like that? If you can get a
logic, answer, rationale, then you are on the wrong track, if you cannot
find an answer then you can proceed further.

One does not have time right now...Hope the group members also contribute
and keep this thread of discussion alive. Lets continue after further
inputs from other learned members of these fora.

Om tat Sat





                                                                                                  Hello Everybody,

Greetings. I am Sangeetha, Vadagalai Iyengar. I  have a very basic doubt on
whether god is really listening to our prayers and  whether he is with us.
I am not able to find an answer to this. I will be  greatful if any one of
you could share your mystic experiences.

With Warm Regards
Sangeetha





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