Re: aagamA-s
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• March 8, 2000
sampath kumar writes: > In very simple terms, agamA-sAstra is knowledge, > sciece or doctrine dealing with ritual, iconography, > construction of temples, 'yantra-s' and so on. > > Agamas are said to be found in the 'samhita' portions > of the Vedas and they are generically called > 'agama-samhita'. Sri Sampath Kumar, This is *completely wrong*, and I urge you to do your research before propagating utterly incorrect information. The "Agamas" are most definitely *not* part of the Vedas. They are a completely separate body of texts. The Vedas are generally known as "nigama", and these texts that describe iconography, certain esoteric rituals, yoga, etc., are known as "Agama". According to traditional belief, while the Vedas are considered eternal and unauthored (apaurusheya), the Agama texts are considered authored by Lord Narayana Himself. As such, they are not eternal and are of a totally different category from the Vedas. This is obvious from the first sloka of Sri Desika's "Yatiraja Saptati": kam apy Adyam vande kamalA-gRhamedhinam pravaktA chandasAm vaktA pancarAtrasya ya: svayam I first pay homage to the indescribable husband of Kamala (Lakshmi), who is the propagator of the Vedas (chandas) and who himself authored the Pancaratra Agama. Desika cleanly makes a distinction between *propagation* of an eternal text such as the Vedas, and *authorship* of the Agamas. Your confusion lies in the fact that the first "mantra" section of the Vedas is known as "samhita". Therefore, we have Rg Veda samhita, Yajur Veda samhita, Sama Veda samhita, etc., with their various branches (Taittiriya Samhita, Vajasaneya Samhita, etc.) All these are *collections* (samhita) of Vedic mantras, and are yet considered eternal and of absolute authority and significance. The Vaishnava Agamas are also known as "samhita". We therefore have "Sri Sattvata Samhita", "Jayakhya Samhita", "Ahirbudhnya Samhita", etc. But these texts are in no way part of the Vedic corpus. In the Saiva and Sakta traditions, for example, the Agamas bear the title "Agama" or "Tantra" in their name. Yet these are also considered authored texts, and are not part of the eternal Veda. As far as the various Vaishnava Agama texts are concerned, other members have already pointed out articles by Sri Krishnamachari which detail their contents. adiyen ramanuja dasan, Mani ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - aazhvaar, emberumaanaar, desikan, jeeyar tiruvadigale saranam - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@eGroups.com Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today and put your mind to rest. http://click.egroups.com/1/1404/2/_/716111/_/952544391/ -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=bhakti-list&m=1
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