Re: Advaitham,Theology of vedas,Smartas,vaishanavas,Sri vaishnavas
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• June 13, 1998
At 10:53 AM 6/13/98 -0500, venkat wrote: > My "aneka koti prmanas to all sri vaishnavas again" > > The correct translation of the term visishtadhvaitham in english is "pan orgal >monism" > >the term visishtadhvaitham is derived(i donot have a basic knowledge of sanskrit >though) like this visisthasya + advaitham = visistadhvaitham. > > so are we adhvaithins then?? yes we are 'cos according to shruthis one who >appreciates difference will never get moksha and he'll always be on samsara >cycle. > > so the real purport of shruthis is "adhvaitham" and now we call ourselves >"visishtadhvaithins" so how are we going to justify?? > > yes of course the purport of shruthis is advaitham not dvaitham. is it pure >pure advaitham as shri adhi shankara says?? no it is not our we are adhvaithins >basically with the adjective visithasya.. > > what shri adhi shankara (as we all know ) talks is nirvisesha advaitham and >what shri bashyakara talks about is savisesha advaitham not pure advaitham (pure >pure consciousness , jeeva bramha identity and iykiyam as shri adhishankara >says) > > our dharshanam followed as per the sayings of dheva perumal(shri athigirinathan >perarulalan varadharajan) "dharshanam bedha evacha" is bedha dharshanam. > > yes it is dvaitham but not as per dvaithins (or dualists). > > what shri anandha theertha talks about is something non dependency of souls and >bramhan and shri bashyakara talks about is dependency... SRI ANANDA TIRTHA DOES ACCEPT DEPENDENCY OF SOULS. VISHNU IS ONLY INDEPENDENT; ALL ELSE IS DEPENDENT ACCORDING TO HIS DOCTRINE. FURTHER, IT IS THE SARIRA-SARIRI BHAVA & JAGAT ABHINNA NIMITTA UPADANA KARANA & PRAPATTI AS AS LAGHU-UPAYA WHICH HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH (THERE ARE OTHER DIFFERENCES,... WHICH I HAVE AVOIDED FOR BREVITY) ADIYEN KRISHNA > how do we justify the above??? > > it is like light and luminousity they are different concepts but there exists >a permenant relation which can never be negated and they are cognised together >always..(this is a vague comparison though) > > it is the sarira athma bhavam prakara prakari bhavam etc... > > the term sarira again needs a very big explanation as the other vedhanthins >say that it has dhoshas...(fallacy) which will come as a seperate mesg.. > > to simply say it is the body soul relation ship which is our "pradhana >prathithanthram" that which is not found in other schools of thought... > > and i request other shrivaishnavaites to give more inputs and clarifications >mean while to the list... > >*************************************************************************** ***** > theology.... smarthas....sri vaishnavas >*************************************************************************** ***** > > if any one calls himself as vedanthin he can never refute "narayana's" >supremecy for it is very obvious and crystal clear.. so the vedas if at all we >say that it talks about any religion it is vaishnavism and all those who call >themselves as "vedhanthins" is none but vaishnavas.. > > remember no vedanthin argues on supremecy of "shri narayana" but they argue >only on whether it is dvaitham/advaitham. > > and ofcourse as emphatically and irrefutably (and the same strengthened by >thoopal kulamani swami desika) it is "visisttadhwaitham" which balances both... > > one who follows shruthis and smrithis is called a smartha as we all follow >shruthis and smrithis we are smarthas too. > > and now what is the diff between vaishnavaite and shri vaishnavite?? > > the verse in purusha suktha identifies narayana like this > > "hrischathe laksmischapthnuyo" so the concept of shri finds an importnat place >in our "sampradhayam". > > and our's is bramadhvaitham.... > > just a minute just a minute dont the shruthis talk about only one >paramathma??? > > yes sir!!!! accepted. > > it is not two entirely altogether different brahmans we are talking about >... we are talking about the status as shri who participates in each thing like >srishti stithi smaharam etc...along with narayana... > > so they are inseperable ...... > > she is always seen with him all the avartharas (para,vyuha,archa,vibhava > antharyami) > > and for whatever the state of shri is in shrivaishnavism it is somehow >accepted unanimously by all shrivaishnavaites ( unlike other vaishnavaites) the >importance of shri.... > > ( for more details and arguments which are very complicated and which doesnt >seem to end at all i shall try and give the gist of this concept of shri) > > and again i reqest all the srivaishnavas in the list to give more details and >clarifications mean while > > > regs > venkataraghavadhasan > > > > > >
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