Re: a ? on vaishnavism
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• June 13, 2001
Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha : Well no where did anyone say that those who worship any body other than Sriman Narayanan are Sinners. As Sri T.S.Sundararajan wrote"ArOgyam bhAskarAt iCChEt, dhanam iCChEt hutASanAt, ISAnAt jnAnam anviCChEt, mOksham iCChEt janArdanAt." [Seek health from the sun, wealth from agni, realisation from ISAna, and deliverance from janArdana.] Here the realisation or the jnana which is said, is nothing but the realisation of the Supreme Being, and that of the relationship of the jeevAtmA with that of the paramAtmA. This can be got from Siva. Our ancestors have classified the Shastras into five categories, 1) asAram, 2) alpasAram, 3)sAram, 4) sAratharam, & 5) sArathamam. The following sloka instructs which should be followed. "asAram alpasAram cha sAram sAratharam tyajEth, bajEth sArathamam sAstrE ratnAkara ivAmrutam" This means that in order to obtain the salvation, one should renounce the first 4 and should only adhere to the 5th which is the flawless sArathamam. What are these 5? asAram : This is the portion in the vEdAs which if followed will yield results that is not at all encouraged. Example, a homam or yagnam to get rid of one's enemy. Or simply stating, to trouble others. Now the question may arise as to how can the vEdAs specify such a hOmam or yagnam, when it is only supposed to speak of good things. The answer is, this portion is NOT FOR THE JNANIS but for those who does not believe in vEdAs. If an atheist who wants to get rid of an enemy is told about this and he does that hOmam and gets the result, the next thing he will do is to START BELIEVING the vEdAs. Then he will start asking " what does the vEdAs give ME, more than getting rid of my enemies". The answer for this is the alpasAram. alpasAram : This is the portion of vEdAs, which specifies the necessary karmAs, to attain the materialistic and worldly pleasures. This is better than the earlier one because, this does not talk about any destruction. Still this is also NOT for the jnanis. Now the person starts believing the vEdAs very well and the next question. "What is the way I can get rid of this births and rebirths. He now enters the lower level of self realisation which is sAram. sAram : This is portion in which the atmAnubhavam is specified. This is also called as the Kaivalyam. The person who enters the state of Kaivalyam, though gets devoid of rebirths will not attain the highest state of salvation which is doing the service to Sriman Narayanan. So after realising this, the person starts asking "What should I do, so that I don't enter into this kaivalyam and go to mOksha?" This is explained by the sAratharam. sAratharam : It is the portion of vEdas which instructs the anushTAnams that have to be done to attain the lotus feet of Sriman Narayanan and to do eternal kainkaryam. Then why is this not the top most of all? Because, what this instructs is only swagatha sweekAra roopa kainkaryam. It means we do kainkaryam to Him for our pleasure. sArathamam : This is best of all and the Highest state of all. This talks about the paragathasweekAra roopa kainkaryam for Him. It means doing kainkaryam to Him, for His pleasure and not ours. This state exemplifies the 'paratantra' nature of the (jeeva) AtmA to Sriman Narayanan. Now why all the above explanations? To answer the question, those who worship other gods will only attain worldly pleasures and also by virtue of being true to them will get some jnanam in their rebirths and finally realise the Supreme, get rid of the prArabha karmAs, and then enter paramapadham. The following story explains the same. There was once a spider in a Siva temple which did kainkaryam to him by weaving its web as an umbrella over the lingam. There was also an elephant which was an ardent devotee of Siva which used to do kainkaryam to him by bringing water from the nearby river and do abhishekam to him, due to which the Web got disturbed every time. Angered at this, one day the Spider bit the elephant. In a rage the elephant stamped the spider and died due to poison. Due to the utmost devotion, the spider was born as a king in its next birth and he constructed many Siva temples. He was aware of his previous birth and due to the dwEsham on the elephant, constructed the sanctum in such a way that no elephant could enter it. In the due course, he received the complete jnAnam from Siva and became an ardent devotee of the Supreme, Sriman Narayanan and attained mOksham. (sorry nothing was said about the elephant in its rebirth) As you said, each life is a small point on an asymptote tending to Sriman Narayana. No doubt about it. But when we are supposed to follow the visishtAdvaita school which is THE correct school of vEdAnta, then why should we even look at other gods. Once again, NO DISRESPECT meant to them. As per the visishTAdvaita school, one should aspire only for the highest pleasure of serving the Supreme Being (Sriman Narayanan) and not for the worldly pleasures. As the mOksham can be granted only by Him, why should we even look at others. This is the right point. Even if one worships other gods, he will still take births (though the prayers are directed towards the antaryAmi Sriman Narayanan) like the king above and only when He does the saraNAgati in the correct form, he attains mOksha. So please understand that no body says, 'those who worship other gods are sinners'. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh Add a Standard Disclaimer Text Here........................................................ -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! 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