proselytization and srivaishnavism
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• January 20, 1999
Dear bhaktas: I gratefully acknowledge the sincere responses to my questions and comments in the earlier message titled "on the nature of our faith". As a matter of fact, several related disussions have occurred in previous bhakti postings as pointed out by Mani. I should make it a point to dig into the archives more often, especially now that we have the new search feature added to it. I read in the archives about the Srirangam acharyas Vs the Kanchi acharyas and I liked that description very much. It is perhaps true, that what began as different learning environments in those two ancient cities may have eventually led to an unprecedented split in the ranks, fostered by over-zealous disciples during the centuries that followed. Later the impact of British administration, coupled with the recourse to legal wranglings by Srivaishnavas over the control of temples [having economic implications] served to polarize the community even further. Well, I'm sure there is more to this odyssey but the discussion certainly added to my knowledge. Some members did agree with me on a couple of other things that I'd mentioned, such as the issue of vadamozhi, and about proselytization. Let me dwell on this proselytizing matter once more, for in my mind it has some very fundamental implications. Mani writes that anyone, irrespective of age, gender or faith can convert to Srivaishnavism by undergoing samASrayaNam through an AchAryan. Now that raises some questions in my mind. Firstly, should I consider myself as one born into the Srivaishnava community, since both my parents were Srivaishnavite? Also, since I have not undergone samASrayaNam yet, should I be considered a non-Srivaishava? Further, my parents had not undergone samASrayaNam at the time of my birth. In that vein, I could not have been born a Srivaishnavan. In any case, if the possibility of being "born" a Srivaishnavan does not exist, then the argument is moot. If so, then I am not a Srivaishnavan because neither could I be born into the faith, nor have I been indoctrinated into it as of now. Perhaps Mani intended to say [and this is speculation on my part] that samASrayaNam can convert a non-Srivaishavan to Srivaishnavism, by embracing them into the thondarkulam. That may be a recourse for me, if the previously mentioned considerations are true. So then, the faith is truly universal, isn't it... since any human being can convert to it through samASrayaNam. Well, wait a minute. We know that unlike the advaita matams, OUR AchAryas continue to bear the identifiers of brAhminhood, such as Shikha and yagnyopavEtham. In theory, any member of the thondarkulam can rise to the level of an AchAryan and occupy the peetham of the mutt. So we could have AchAryars devoid of brahminical externals, if they were not brahmin to begin with. Mani says that brahminhood is an entirely different matter. Certainly, because there is no conversion to it [as far as I know, but surely I do have a lot to learn...] So here is THE question: Do the mutts require swAmis to perform certain brAhminical rituals, and if so, could it be possible to bestow brahminhood upon one that wasn't so born, in order to fulfill the requirement? A community is truly egalitarian, if just about any of its members could ascend to prominence irrespective of their origins. Is Srivaishnavism so? Regardless of the answer, there is a related question... how many non-brahmin Srivaishavites do we know of [other than certain AzhwArs]? And of course, no one has yet ventured an estimate of the total number of adherents to Srivaishnavism today... I will end here, and hope to hear from some of you with regard to these doubts that I have. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me so far. adiyEn -SrInAtH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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