Mani's poignant argument
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• December 11, 1995
There are even recent examples to site inconsistent practises, athwart to the goals of the likes of Sri nathamuni. Nan Jeer who has a sannidhi at the some or many kshethra's was a madhvacarya won over and honored by Sri Parasharabattar. He was awarded the title of Nan Jeer when he came to Srirangam, and distinguished himself in his humbleness, scholarship and piety. Yet, if I am not mistaken, there is now (or has been for some time) a questioning of the merits of his sannidhi, from what I understand, merely because he was a Madvacarya. We have to accept our (and our ancestral society) limitation's and short-sitedness, apart from a few great souls in order to move on and live the philosophy. The next question is how do we practise and shed inequality from our hearts and mind. Is it a natural recourse of bakhti and prapatti, or is it a preordained state of mind ?? Mohana >>> Thanks, Dr. Sadagopan for an informative posting about the meaning of the Vedic mantras used in the marriage ceremony. However, I find it highly unlikely that Thirumangai Azhvaar's wedding was carried out using these Vedic mantras. Being outside the pale of the Vedas (Saint Thirumangai was of the KaLLa caste), he had no right to recite the Vedas according to the norms of his time. Unfortunately, this is one place where I doubt the society of his time would have been flexible. Sri Vaishnavas of later times have romanticized the relationship between the lower caste Azhvaars and the Vedas, when very often no such relationship could have existed. In this instance, we are told Thirumangai is married in a Vedic ceremony. In Azhvaar Thiruangari, the birthplace of Nammazhvaar, the image of Nammaazhvaar is adorned with a poonal (sacred thread)! There is no chance that Nammaazhvaar ever wore a poonal. Madhurakavi Azhvaar says says that he was rejected by the brahmins of his time, presumably due to his reverence for his non-brahmin acharya, Nammaazhvaar. It is beholden upon us to be honest about the social restrictions of the Azhvaars' time period. It goes without saying that the Azhvaars were parama vaidikas, in that they perceived the deepest truths of the Vedas. However, they did this *despite* their being barred from the Vedas. Immense credit should go to Sri Nathamuni for throwing Vedic convention to the winds and setting the Azhvaars on the highest possible pedestal. Surely he encountered tremendous social opposition and ostracization in doing so. By romanticizing the Azhvaars' Vedic heritage, we make it easy to ignore the social reality of their time as well as ours. Consider the fact that only five centuries after Nathamuni's revolutionary acceptance of the Thiruvaaymozhi as another Veda, a section of Sri Vaishnavas forcefully argued that non-brahmins cannot be acharyas to brahmins! Is this the example set by the Azhvaars? Why then were these great souls born amongst the entire social spectrum, if not to show that social status meant absolutely nothing? And that the Vedas themselves were offended by being confined to a cloister? Mani ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v ^v Trust your gut feelings, for gut cells have not developed ^v ^v enough to doubt themselves ... Dr. Deepak Chopra ^v ^v ^v ^v Mohana K. Ramanujam Software Consultant ^v ^v Schlumberger Technologies Voice: (408)437-5225 ^v ^v Automatic Test Systems Division Fax: (408)437-5246 ^v ^v 1601 Technology Drive E-mail: mohana@san-jose.ate.slb.com^v ^v San Jose, CA 95110 Home Telephone:(408)736-3271 ^v ^v Home Address: 620 Iris. Ave, ^v ^v #427, Sunnyvale, ^v ^v CA 94086 ^v ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
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