Re: nityatvam/paratvam
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• December 13, 2001
Dear Mani, Your points are well taken. I agree that Sri Ananda Theertha accepts the supremacy of Brahman and total subordinacy of jeeva. However, I guess, the discussion started with the paradox, "If jeeva is eternal how can paramAtma be supreme, and if paramAtma is supreme how can jeeva be eternal?" Both schools (D and V) accept that paramAtma and jeevAtma are different. They also accept that the latter is dependent on the former. Agreed. Then what does "dependence" mean? In what way is the jeeva dependent on Brahman? If, as the dwaitins believe, the jeeva and Brahman are utterly distinct, then how is the jeeva's eternality not under Brahman's control? V's explanation is simple and straight-forward: The eternality of the jeeva is also under control of Brahman. In other words, the most important constituent of the relationship of dependence between the two entities is that Brahman provides the very substratum (aadharam) for the existence (and hence the eternality) of jeeva (and all other entities). Only if the relationship is organic will it explain the paradox satisfactorily, not if it that of the type Master-Servant, or Husband-Wife. Yes, these other relationships are undoubtedly true from an anubhavam point-of-view, but not from a philosophical standpoint. This is why I said that D might find it difficult to explain the paradox. But again, my knowledge on the subject is minimal, and D may also have a way of explaining it that is unknown to me. Mani, if possible, could you shed some light on this? Please feel free to correct any errors in my thinking. Thank you. -adiyen, murali kadambi -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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