Lack of anubhavam on part of emberuman
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• December 4, 2001
srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha Dear Mani, You wrote :- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Quote++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- In bhakti-list@y..., Dan Pattangiwrote: > It is our limitation in understanding that makes us ask: > - : Why THe Mass of Knowledge Himself wants to learn from Mamunigal. > > If we approach periyavas (Not JUST in age, but also in TRUE KNOWLEDGE) > we might get to learn: > Periyavas say: Its the Anubhavam of enjoying Thiruvaimozhi, so much that > tears are pouring out for hours together while giving and enjoying > Mamunigal's discourses on Thiruvaimizhi. (portion deleted) However, what you are saying is that the Lord *literally* lacked some anubhavas and had to go seek them from someone else. In other words, there was a shortcoming in His own jnAna and Ananda forcing Him to go elsewhere. Now, does this really make sense in the context of innumerable statements from Sruti, Prabandham, and Smrti that He is 'kurai onRum illAda gOvindA', 'satykAma, satyasankalpa', 'vijnAna-ghana', 'satyam, jnAnam, anantam'? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Unquote+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Please note that when it is said that perumAL did this for getting the anubhavam, it is not at all a shortcoming on His part. This can be explained clearly as follows :- Take the simple logic of watching Cricket. Most of us all have the desire to see the Cricket match. Say, you do not have a TV in your house (this is still true in India, may not be in the US) to see this. You are always thinking of getting this anubhavam sometime. Yes, indeed this is a kurai on our part as jeevAtmAs and this is not with paramAtmA. But let us move a little further. We now buy the TV and start watching the Cricket match. But are we convinced that we now have had the anubhavam and stop here. No. We see it more and more (No end, even if India plays in the most stupid manner). Logically, once you have had the anubhavam, that kurai is no more with you but you still keep on seeing the match for you love it. This is the exact state of EmberumAn with respect to the anubhavam spoken. Yes, He only wants the anubhavam more and more, not because He is lacking but because He is liking. Which is why He is called as "aruLicheyAl pitthan" and true to this title, even today, He is going behind the Divya Prabhandams, while the vEdAs are following Him, as can be seen in any purappAdu in any divya dEsam. Next, amongst the cricket playing nations there are almost 100 to 150 players, but you still watch or like only Tendulkar or Lara or some X. Why only them out of 100 or 150. Because you are so much drawn towards them for their capability and ability and the grace with which they play. So you watch them and celebrate them more and more and more. You have their blow-ups hanging on the wall in your house. Here do you mean to say that you are doing this because of lack of anubhavam. You cannot say it for you have already experienced it. It is only out of your desire for more experience on the same. Same is the case with paramAtmA. On seeing the ability and the elegance with which swAmi maNavALa mAmuni delivered his lectures, he got attracted so much that He considered him as His own AchArya and glorified him with the world renowned thaniyan " srisailEsa dayA pAthram.......". This glorification of paramAtmA can be superimposed with ourselves hanging the blow-ups of the cricketers we like, in our house. This episode, certainly, in no way, attributes any lacking on the part of the paramAtmA, which otherwise will contradict the words of Sruti,smrti and et al. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The information contained in this message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressed individual or entity indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person). It must not be read, copied, disclosed, distributed or used by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Opinions, conclusions and other information on this message that do not relate to the official business of any of the constituent companies of the SANMAR GROUP shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the Group. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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