Re: svAmi maNavALa mAmuni being rAmAnujA's avatAra
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• December 2, 2001
srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha Dear Sri Mani, I will try to answer these questions to my knowledge. If only jnYanam (knowledge) is enough to attain mOksha, then the very existence of visishTAdvaitha is under question or even jeopardy, for, mOksha for jnyAna is advaitha vAdha. (Please correct me if I am wrong here). Then why do we repeat that the jnyAnam gives us mOksham. It is actually the actions that develops further, when one attains knowledge, will lead to mOksham. I will try to explain the answer in two parts based on your question. 1. "tam Evam vidwAn amrutha iha bhavathi". I actually have not read the vyAkhyAnam for this, but will reply to this from the brief explanation that you gave and also based on simple logics. (Again, if I am wrong here please do correct me). You gave the explanation as " one who *knows* Him attains immortality here itself". The next question that comes into the mind is. If one just knows about Him, will he attain mOksha immediately? The answer is No. Means, you have to see what are the consequences of gaining the knowledge about Him. It will lead the prapanna to do prapatti. Again, when doing prapatti what does he gets to know about Him. He gets to know that " He is the upAya for getting the mOksha". This is from the slOka " tvamEva upAya bhoothO me bhava iti prArthanA mathi: saraNAgati", meaning, he will attain mOksha, if he does prapatti with the knowledge that He is the upAyam for attaining mOksham. So, here, knowing Him means, knowing 'about' Him that He is the upAya. Naturally he gets mOksha when these corollaries are met with in relation to the main theorem of "jnyAna" about Him. 2. The Sri vachana bhooshaNa sUtra " adu phalippadu ivan ninaiva mArinAl" also talks about "avan ninaivu" as above performing saraNAgathi with the thought that He is the upAyam to attain mOksham, yields him the mOksham. So just the knowledge by itself will not get the mOksham, but the deeds of the prapanna after attaining the knowledge is what is really required for mOksham. What Sri Varadhan probably stated as " it does not depend on the knowledge", is that, the lord is not bound by the knowledge and his consequent acts to give him mOksham. For sure, when one gets the knowledge, he will only go on the right path to attain mOksha. The knowledge and its corollary of performing prapatti are only qualifications or "adhikAri visEshaNa". This is very concept of "nirhEtuka kripA" of emberumAn. There are cases to prove this, like, the prapatti did by Sri BharathAzhwAn, for Sri rAmA to return to ayOdhyA did not yield result, though the act of performing the surrender was clearly done according to the books, whereas VibheeshaNa saraNAgathi yielded results for him, though it was not done according to the books. I mean to say that actually VibheeshaNA was in the sky and emberumAn was in the ground when the saraNAgathi was done. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The information contained in this message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressed individual or entity indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person). It must not be read, copied, disclosed, distributed or used by any person other than the addressee. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Opinions, conclusions and other information on this message that do not relate to the official business of any of the constituent companies of the SANMAR GROUP shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the Group. If you have received this message in error, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by e-mail. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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