Re: Free will Vs Predetermination
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• August 6, 2002
Dear Sri Maruthi Pavan, The following is my understanding of the topic of Paramatma roopa and swaroopa. Request all other bhagavatas to pardon and correct me if I am wrong. As far as the swaroopa of the jivatma or the para brahmhan is concerned, both do not have any gender. The jivatma because it is confined into a body [based on the karma] has a gender. Again the gender is only to the body. Thus a name given to the jivatman is not for the jivatman but to the body alone. As far as the swaroopa of the supreme bhramhan is concerned, the same holds good. But the supreme bhramhan is also identified as Narayana which also has a divya mangala vigraham of a male gender. Now coming back to what I was explaining in the other mail, as the topic was freewill Vs pre determined actions, I did not explain in length about the following: "He has the swatrantryam to punish each jivatman for the deeds [karma] he does but at the same time because of his daya considers small good deeds of the jivatmans as big deeds and based on the same provides us with better environment in the subsequent janmas [better environment is nothing but sadacharya samashrayanam, bhagavata samparkam etc]." Sriman Naryana has many kalyana gunas [infinite] along with swatantryam. At any instance when a jivatman comes face to face with the Lord, He would want to punish the jivatman for his wrong deeds. But at the same time, he also has the kalyana gunas like sousheelyam, swamithvam, karunyam ...etc. He also has the praapthi to attain every jivatman. Infact he has done a lot of krushi to attain a jivatman. According to our Poorvacharyas, it is he who has to attain a jivatman hence he considers some of the good deeds done by the jivatma even though they were done accidently [Yadruschika] and because of that helps the jivatma by providing him a better body and environment. There are many instances in our puranas that explain the same. Swami Ramanuja was the sishya of Yadava prakasha for a long time. Once during this time, the king's daughter gets under the spell of a bramharaakshasa. Yadavaprakasha based on the invitation from the king, tries to drive away the raakshasa. Then the bramharaakshasa narrates the past of yadava prakasha. Yadava prakasha in his earlier life, would have been a reptile. Accidently [not knowingly] the reptile eats the bhagavata shesa of some bhagavatas who had just finished having their prasadam. This alone makes him a vedantin in his next life [as Yadavaprakaasha] who got the samparkam of Swami Ramanuja and later became his disciple and attained moksha. [Guruparampara Prabhavam]. Even the story of sage Narada in Srimad Bhagavatam proves the same. Hence Bhagavan exercises his swatantrayam on those jivas who do not have any sambandham of his bhagavatas/Piratti/Himself. But his daya takesover moment a jiva has a bhagavata sambhandam even if it is accidental. Swami Ramanuja in the Gadyatrayam calls Him as "Apaara Kaarunya MahOdadhe" i,e an ocean of karunai. With my limited ability and limited understanding I have putforth my thoughts. Please pardon me for anything wrong in the content. adiyen Ramanuja Dasan. Raghunandan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Group Home: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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