Re: Free-will vs Pre-determination
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• August 2, 2002
Dear bhagavatas, Adiyen would like to express my humble thougts on the same subject. 1. In the introduction of many vyakyanams, our poorvacharyas begin with this: The lord has put in lot of efforts to help the jeevatman to attain paramapadam. This starts with creating the leela vibuthi, providing shareerams to all these jivatmans, giving them the shastras, then taking avataras to teach these shastras to the world and also making the nitya suris to take birth in the leela vibuthi. Now with these statements, it is clear that the Lord gives us all the freedom to do what we want. If everything that we do was pre-determined, then why sould the Lord put in all these efforts [krushi] to attain us? According to Sri sampradayam, the Lord [Swami] attains his property (jeevatman) [swathu]. Then the question arises as to if the Lord has to attain his property with these much of efforts, then why should he be called as Sathya Sankalpan? if he cannot change all jivatamans by a simple sankalpa to consider him as the upayam to reach moksha. This question again confirms that the Lord providies all the jivas the freewill to choose any hita [means] to attain their purushartha [goal]. Again these purusharthas can be anything such as dharma, artha, kama and moksha. Each of these have different means to attain. In such as scenerio, if the Lord providies the jivas the freewill to do whatever they want, then what is it that we talk about as prarabdha karma, sanchita karma etc? As per my understanding, these karmas determine the body into which a jiva enters [note that the jivatman need not enter a body of a human, he could be sthavaram [tree] or a tiryak [an animal]]. There upon even if the jivatman gets a human birth, the karma determines the environment he is born, the environment he lives etc. Now the jivatman has to live his life in these conditions to enjoy/suffer all his poorva karmas. While doing the same, because he has the free will, he will also does fresh acts [karmas] which will fall into the category of punya or papa. The story would go on like this. That is why we call this as samsara sagaram which has been there from time unknown. Bhagavan with lot of compassion on these jivatamas is continiously trying to help them to come out of this sagaram. And for the same reason does all the krushi that is mentioned in the first paragraph. He has the swatrantryam to punish each jivatman for the deeds [karma] he does but at the same time because of his daya considers small good deeds of the jivatmans as big deeds and based on the same provides us with better environment in the subsequent janmas [better environment is nothing but sadacharya samashrayanam, bhagavata samparkam etc]. The jiva slowly then understands [attains knowledge about] his swaroopam that he is paratantran,he is a sheshan to the Lord, his only purushartam is the kainkaryam to the divine couple [moksha] and the only means to the same is the lord himself [hita]. In short my humble views of the same is: While all the jivas have a freewill to do what they want, a certain aspect of their birth in the leela vibuthi is predetermined. adiyen Ramanuja dasan Raghunandan. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Group Home: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bhakti-list Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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