Re:Upakarma, rites, rituals etc
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• August 3, 2001
Well with due respect to all the people on this list...let me clarify that what I wrote was only from the translation of the Bhagavatham from an authentic press that sells the "Bhagvata-Moolam" in Sanksrit and other great religious books, their translations in Tamil, English etc. These translations to various languages now are done by great Sanskrit scholars who are well versed in the language. One more thing is that translation of the moolam just reflects the "translation"..not any personal opinion of the author. If we take for example the tiruppavai, we can consider how we ourselves can barely translate some lines with some basic Tamil knowledge. But when "interpreted" by great scholars and saints, they come up with so much of depth written in just a few lines. That is bhaashyam or commentary. For example if we take the "Gita" today everyone finds a "concise Gita" right from railway station stalls, to airports to other book- stores with commentaries and interpretations by so many people. But with say an ISKCON publication, they first do a transliteration for readability (for people who cant read Sanskrit)...then they do a "translation" in a few lines and then they go on to give a "commentary" quoting other things and other aspects, which runs to several paragraphs or pages. But my mail was based on only translations of the Bhagavatam to English and Tamil. I used both versions which were done by different people. It was neither a "pocked-Bhagavatam" nor the "summary or detailed bhaashyam with own views". But both the translations(english, tamil) meant the same. Now I also happen to know Sanskrit and though residing in U.S, I am now in India on a break, and I have the company of people around me who have M.As in Sanskrit right from my family to friends. So I just went on to mail what I read from an authentic translation, co-related and cross-verified from other sources...that's all. There's no personal opinion here. One of the responsed accused that I belong to come clan and that my counterparts ( i dont know who) make claims that Hinduism originated from Christianity. Well when I say that "bharatha varsha" is the main karma-bhoomi and that some say that even Jesus came there to get enlightened...how could that be "interpreted" as hinduism follows christianity ? That was not my claim anywhere. And about the "trivikrama" avatar where the author of that response claims that Lord's foot touched the entire world and not just the 'bhaaratha-varsh". Ofcourse "yes". But I think even Vyaasa knows about that right...and so does Suka who tells the Bhagavatham!!! Infact it is a charithram that is well discussed in the Bhagavatham. Its not something that was discovered recently by someone in "Uncle Sam"'s country!!! But Sri Suka still maintains that 'BharathaVarsha' is a Karma-Bhoomi in the same purana. There must be more reasons to it than can be discerned by the common man. Once again, its for each individual to really research this topic and know the truth, about the "vyakaranams" and the other nuances, connotations etc. Its not my personal opinion. I just said, I read the Bhagavatam and found this fact that's all. But everyone is united in the opinion that "Bhakti" can be done from anywhere. Bhakti is something that transcends rituals, rites, karmas etc. The objective of Nigamas, Sruthis etc. is to realise the existence of the supreme and try to reach him. Sri Vyaasa who's been credited with having restored the Vedas (Sruthis) and given to us in a form that we can read and survive in this age of Kali, is the same person who authored the Bhagavatham. And if Bhagavatham is regarded as the holiest, and the most accurate and valid of the Puranas, how can we say it needs correction with respect to Sruthis etc. ? "Nigama Kalpatharorgalitham Phalam, Sukamukathamrutha dhrava Samyutham Pibatha Bhagavatha RasamAalayam, Muhuruho rasika bhuvi bhaavukaah". >From the Kalpatharu-tree of the Vedas, there is a ripened fruit (Bhaagavatam). The ripened fruit is often the one that the parrot (suka) pecks at. The parrot here is Sri Suka and the amrutha dhrava...and it results in the flowing of nectar of the Bhaagavatam. Please partake of this...rasikas of this world...ones who love the deeds and pastimes of the lord. This Bhaagavatham is the essence of reading all the vedas. When Vyaasa still felt unhappiness after doing such great works, Narada asked him to write the glories of the lord in a way that would instill bhakti in the minds of those who read it. That's what is the Bhagavatam. Why does one need all the rituals and yagnas which only give us meritorius enjoyments like heaven at best? And these rites and rituals that involve agnihotrams seem to have so many restrictions about where they should be performed (place, time, varshas, etc.) But Bhakti to Lord, reading his pastimes, reciting his glories (which is the essence of the Bhagavatam) can take us straight to him. That Bhakti can be done from anywhere on the earth. It is the simplest and like a nuclear missile in this age which liberates much faster. Naama Sankirthanam is the most advocated method for Kali. The idea of this group is Bhakti and that's what its titled aptly. So that's why I brought up this topic. I felt it would only be relevant to discuss about bhakti, leelais of the lord, his glory than discussing the correct procedure for rituals, when where how to perform them and whether they should be performed at all in some places etc. -- Pradeep -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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