Krishna/Vishnu in Bhagavatam
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• April 24, 2000
Dear Krishna Susarla, Unfortunately I deleted your latest post by mistake, but as I recall, you were asking for shastric evidence concerning (among other things) Krishna being an avatara of Vishnu. As a former GV and member of ISKCON for more than a decade (now concverted to SV), I know how sensitive this issue can be, and I appreciate your initiative to base such a discussion strictly on shastras, and not on sectarian prejudice. For evidence on Krishna being an avatara of Vishnu, we need not go outside the Bhagavatam itself (though corroborative evidence could be collected from other Puranas, Mahabharata, and Agamas; and I believe Sri Anand has already given a few references of this latter kind). For instance, Bhag. 10.1.2 reads: yadoz ca dharmaziilasya nitaraa.m munisattama / tatraA.MZENAAVATIIR.NASYA VI.S.NOR viiryaa.ni za.msa na.h // The direct meaning here is 'of Vishnu, descended through a part (amsha) [of Himself]'. Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami (doubtless following earlier GV acaryas) takes the instrumental (a.mzena) as indicating association: 'along with a part', which he interprets as referring to Balarama. Even if this is accepted, however, it does not change the fact that Krishna is here referred to as 'Vishnu descended'. Likewise, Bhag. 10.3.8 reads: niziithe tama-udbhuute jaayamaane janaardane / devakyaa.m devaruupi.nyaa.m VI.S.NU.H sarvaguhaazaya.h / aaviraasiid yathaa praacyaa.m diziindur iva pu.skala.h // -- and the following verses, as you are surely aware, describe the infant Krishna as 'caturbhujam za"nkhagadaadyudaayudham', etc. I think an independent observer would agree that the direct meaning (mukhyartha) of these and similar Bhagavatam verses is that Vishnu has appeared in the form of Sri Krishna, rather than vice versa. And certainly that has been the understanding of all Vaishnava sampradayas except the Gaudiyas (including the Maadhvas, from whom some Gaudiyas trace their origin), as well as of the smaarta community. The only texts explicitly advocating Krishna as avataarin are exclusively Gaudiya texts, like the Brahmasamhita reportedly discovered by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. In the light of such explicit verses as the above, I think it obvious that the word 'ete' in Bhag. 1.3.28 (recently discussed) must refer to the categories listed in the verse immediately preceding, and not to the entire list of avataras in 1.3.6-25. There are at least two further text-internal arguments to support such a conclusion: 1. Bhag. 1.3.3-5 describes a shuddha-sattva form of the Lord (bhagavato ruupa.m vizuddha.m sattvam), endowed with thousands of limbs, etc (sahasrapaadorubhujaananaadbhutam), as the sources of all avataras (naanaavataaraa.naa.m nidhaanam). This is clearly not the two-armed Krishna form. 2. Bhag. 1.3.23 explicitly includes Krishna in the list of avataras emerging from this shuddha-sattva form. This would be inconsistent with any intention of distinguishing Krishna as the avataarin. Ramanujadasa, Martin Gansten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ignorance is the problem. Be part of the solution. Help us to educate hundreds of thousands of monthly visitors by joining the discussion at ENN.com. Information is the tool we use to better our world, share what you know. http://click.egroups.com/1/2833/2/_/716111/_/956568307/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@eGroups.com Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information
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