Real and unreal
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• April 20, 2000
Respected Bhagavatha, In my previous mail i had written about the above states from the point of view of Svarupa gnanam and Dharma-bhuta gnanam of jiva atman. There i had briefly mentioned about the object of consciousness in dream and waking state.Now,the topic seems to have shifted to the terms real and unreal and its relevance in the philosophy of Sri Ramanuja.Let me try to present my understanding of the same. According to visista-advaita,there are three realities,which are Isvara(brahman),jiva and prakriti. The latter two are inseperable from the Isvara(except for the purpose of analysis of their true nature) and form the body or modes of Isvara. Now,all the three are "real" in the sense that their true nature in the aspects of both svarupa and guna(attribute) are eternal(indestructible) and reality of one type cannot become either of the other two i.e jiva cannot become isvara tattva or prakriti tattva(except ofcourse by ignorance),though there are modifications of jiva(at Dharmabhuta gnana level during bondage) and prakriti(both at substance and attribute level) in themselves. Even,shankaracharya in his vivekachudamani defines real in the above sense. The term "unreal" is applied to all kinds of mistaken notions about the three basic realities(which is the case in bondage),which ultimatley is proved false by the understanding of their true nature(as in the case of moksha). In the state of bondage due to karma, the jiva is not aware of its true nature and imagines itself as either prakriti(body) or Isvara.The true nature of realities are understood partially by the jiva atman leading to ahamkara and misapprehensions of the realities as in the rope-snake case.Such wrong identification and corresponding values of desirable and undesirable is the root cause of all the experiences of fleeting pleasure and pain in the waking and dream state and is also a fitness of the jiva to experience its karma, the fruit of which is given by the Lord by creating appropriate circumstances in waking and dream states. In short,the experience of bondage on the part of jiva is a fact as long as it is not aware of the three realities in the true sense or as long as it persists in the realm of unreal. In the state of release from karma,the attributive consciousness is not obscured and the Jiva is awake to its own true nature and the true nature of the other two realities. I hope the above analysis satisfies the doubts of Sri.chandrashekaran in a broader sense. Sri Krishnaarpanamasthu Suresh B.N. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enjoy the award-winning journalism of The New York Times with convenient home delivery. And for a limited time, get 50% off for the first 8 weeks by subscribing. Pay by credit card and receive an additional 4 weeks at this low introductory rate. http://click.egroups.com/1/3102/2/_/716111/_/956221373/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list@eGroups.com Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information
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