Re: Sri Bhashyakarar and Sri Vishnupuranam etc
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Anand Karalapakkam • Fri Apr 14 2000 - 12:01:05 PDT
SrI:
SrI Lakshminrusimha ParabrahmaNE namaha
SrI Lakshminrusimha divya pAdukA sEvaka SrIvaN SatakOpa -
SrI nArAyaNa yateendra mahAdESIkAya namaha
Dear SrI Bharat and other devotees,
namO nArAyaNa.
Thanks for your posting. adiyEn would like to add few
points here.
> Apart from this other reasons for use of Sri VP were:
> 2.It had a reputation as an authoritative text from
> very old times- it is mentioned in Sangam literature
> and in Banabhatta's Harsha Charitam for instance.
> whereas there was a constant controversy re the
> authorship of Sri Bhagavatam even upto Sri BhAshyakArar's
> times.
adiyEn has firm belief that SrImad BhAgavatham was
written by Sage VyAsa and thats what adiyEn has learnt
from the AchAryas here at Chennai.
> 4.More relevantly to our SampradAyam: In Sri VP there
> is an exclusive chapter to detail the greatness of
> PirAtti,where she is called "VishNoranapAyinI" and
> there is a Stuti also included therein.
> In direct contrast, in Sri Bhag. her position is very
> low and if one reads chapter 60 of DaSama Skandham
> one finds her equated to Prakriti itself.There is
> no question of "anapAyinItvam" there and in fact
> the Lord is mentioned as being totally self-immersed
> and indifferent to her! Obviously a book of that nature
> however exquisitely beautiful in its descriptions
> could hardly be the authoritative text of the
> SRI VishishtAdwaita school!
adiyEn humbly disagrees with SrI Bharat here. While
there is no doubt that SrI ViSNu purANam is superior to
SrImad BhAgavatham (Or any other purANam for that matter)
with regard to the explanation of tattvas, BhAgavatham
doesn't contradict vEdAnta ie. ViSishtAdvaita. It is only
an expanded version of Sage ParAsara's VishNu PurANam, by
his son Sage VyAsa.
SrI Bharat, in the 60th chapter of 10th Canto in SrImad
BhAgavatham, our Lord KrishNa is teasing Rukmini pirAtti
and makes Her cry. During that episode of teasing, PerumAL
says that He never married Her out of genuine love, but
only to teach a lesson to SisupAlan and his gang and curb
their power etc. He then says that We (the men of Yadu
dynasty) actually never care for wife, children etc and
are self satrisfied with themselves. This made our pirAtti
cry bitterly and faint. Then PerumAL consoles Her and
says that it was simply "hAsya praudhim" ie. jovial in
import and not to be taken seriously. PerumAL says that,
He wanted to see Rukmini dEVi's reaction to His teasings
and in particular enjoy Her face with lips trembling in
loving anger etc. He then concludes by saying that the
greatest pleasure of householders is to tease their
wives in a jovial way and enjoy their reaction. Then,
pirAtti starts performing naicyAnusandAnam that She is
afterall a lowly person with guNAs of prakruti and how
such a fool can be compared with the master of all who
delights in His own glory etc and starts glorifying
PerumAL in many a ways.
SrI Bharat, you know pretty well on what adiyEn has
written below and its not something new. But, adiyEn
is writing for the sake of completion of adiyEn's views.
Please don't mistake adiyEn.
First of all, it is clearly told that its only a
intimate jovial play between PerumAL and pirAtti.
PirAtti is also not making a statement about the
tattva as if She being "SrI", the consort of Lord NArAyaNa
has only qualities of the prakruti and that Lord NArAyaNa
never cares for Her and His devotees etc. They have first
of all made an avatAram (vibhava) as KrishNa and Rukmini
out of their infinite compassion to us and fulfill the
wishes of great devotees etc by exhibiting their Sowseelya
etc kalyANa guNas and also teach us about various aspects
in tattva,hita and purushArta. When a rich person acts
in a cinema as a beggar, he will act as a beggar. We
shouldn't be upset that he though being rich has acted
as a beggar and delivered a dialogue corresponding to
how a beggar will. Similarly, during the avatAras, its
the avatAra rahasya (secret) that pirAtti will play the
role of a jIva and teach us about prapatti, how to
approach PerumAL etc.
Well, we have to actually enjoy the great rasa involved
in that episode and shouldn't conclude something
contradictory to tattva by imposing the known fact that
Rukmini dEvi is not a baddha jIvAtma, but PirAtti Herself.
For that matter, SrImad RAmAyanam will become still
worse then. Lord Rama after killing rAvana says to SIta
pirAtti that She can marry anyone of Lakshmana, Vibeeshana
and the like and He is not prepared to accept Her back, for
She has been at some other man's place for 10 months. Does
this mean that we have to reject SrImad rAmAyanam as
something contradictory to ViSishtAdvaita (which has
understood the great glories of "SrI"), because it
portrays pirAtti very lowly as if She is in separation from
PerumAL, having sharp tongue while yelling at Lakshmana that
He is only after Her and is a partner of bharata for
a conspiracy against Herself and Lord rAma etc ? Ofcourse,
these things are performed by the Divya Dampati, only to
teach us about the great sin of bhAgavata apachAram. Since
sIta piled up untolerable words towards a great Lakshmana
and accused another parama bhAgavata Bharata, and started
beating Her breasts etc as if one is in hysteria, Lakshmana
(a great devotee) was severly hurt esp. the accussation
that he is after Her. The result of this bhAgavatha apachAram
is the 10 month severe punishment for SIta making Her devoid
of the company of Lord and undergo many sufferings and also
finally make Her undergo agni pariksha etc. Thats why, Lord
RAma replied back (after killing rAvana) with strong words
that She (SIta pirAtti) can now marry anyone of Her choice.
The message is that, Lord will be very furious towards those
who commit offense to His devotees and will make them
undergo sufferings and esp. make them devoid of bhagavad
anubhavam.
This doesn't mean all of the acts by the Divya Dampati
in their vibhava avatAras are mere "drama". Its not a mere
"show/drAma" by the Lord in exhibiting His great kalyANa guNas
like Sowseelyam and Sowlabhyam in mingling/moving with the
likes of Guha, Sugreeva, Sabari, Hanuman, Vibeeshana and other
devotees. Its not like a (wicked) politician who just goes to
a village and talks/moves with villagemen for a while, and
puts a drama for the media and the people as if he really cares
for the poor etc. The Divya Dampati's vAtsalyam towards their
devotees are limitless and these are genuinely exhibited in
the vibhava avatAras like RAma, KrishNa, Nrusimha and the like.
The bottomline is that, adiyEn doesn't see anything
contradictory to VEdAnta in SrImad BhAgavatham. Infact,
it is filled with great rasAnubhavam. But, SrImad BhAgavatham's
excellence in bhagavad anubhavam has been eclipsed by the
unparalleled beaquty of the Divya Prabandhams of Azhwars
and the outstanding commentries on it by our AchAryas.
But, our AchAryas have certainly taken SrImad BhAgavatham
to be a upabrahmana ie. its a valid pramAna for us. Infact,
it is in SrImad BhAgavatham that prediction of the avatAra
of Azhwars and our SrI Vaishnava AchAryas are there and it
has been quoted by SwAmi dESIkan in His SrImad Rahsya Traya
SAram :
"Kalau Khalu bhavishyanti nArAyaNa pArAyaNAha
kvacit kvachin mahAbhAgha dramidEshu ca bhUrishaha
tAmraparNi nadI yatra krutamAlA payasvini
kAvEri ca mahA puNyA pratIcI ca mahAnadi "
It explicitly states as to how especially in Dramida dESa
(ie. South India) great devotees of Lord nArAyaNa will be
born and in the banks of the rivers tAmraparNi, vaigai,
pAlAr, CauvEri and mahAnadi at Kerala. Since NammAzhwAr
is going to be the primary AchArya for establishing and
propagating VaidIka Matha / VEdAnta for Kali Yuga by
initiating SrI NAthamunigaL into Ubhaya-vEdAnta, Sage
VyAsa ( Or Sage Suka) mentions River TAmraparNi first,
though there were many AzhwrAs before NammAzhwar born at
other places, as far as history goes. Also, BhAgavatham
states that even people from kruta yuga will be willing
to take birth in this kali yuga since one is going to
become most fortunate by coming in contact with these
devotees ( AzhwArs and SrI VaishNava AchAryas). BhAgavatham
is also explicit that these devotees are going to start
the "sankeertanam" which is going to have unparalleled
effects to the extent of attaining moksha. That sankeertanam
is nothing but the Divya Prabandhams of AzhwArs and Stotras
of our AchAryas.
Also, SwAmi dESIkan explains by quoting only from SrImad
BhAgavatham that SAyujyam is the perfect description of
moksham and SAlOkyam etc are only partial in the sense that
SAlOkyam etc refers to the attainment of the vibhava lOkas
within the material world.
There are around four commentries on SrImad BhAgavatham
by our AchAryas.
SrImad BhAgavatham is certainly a valid pramAna and our
sampradAyam does give a very high status to it.
> As regards the second point of Sri BhAshyakArar's
> non-usage of Divya Prabandham quotations: surely
> the reason is obvious.He wrote exclusively in
> Sanskrit and no Skt text could include tamil
> quotations.
This is one interesting issue. But, BhAshyakAra
(ie. Bhagavad RAmAnuja) certainly wrote directly the
teachings/interpretations of Azhwars in some places
of his commentries, apart from following the teachings
in general.
This is to just give a sample (as adiyEn learnt from
SrI U.Ve. KarunAkaran SwAmi) :
In the "vibhUti yOga" ie.10th chapter of Bhagavad GIta,
BhAshyakAra comments for the word "dEvadEvA" of 15th
verse as
dEva dEva :
"daivatAnAm api parama daivata, yathA manushya-mruga-pakshi-
sarIsrupAdeen Soundarya-Sowseelyadi-kalyANa-guNagaNaihi
daivatAni ateetya vartantE tathA tAni sarvANi daivatAni api
taihi taihi guNaihi ateetya vartamAna "
ie. " The Supreme Deity even of all divinities ! Just as
the (demi)gods surpass men, animals, birds,
reptiles etc in beauty (Soundarya), condescension
(Sowseelya) and the host of auspicious qualities,
You O Lord, in the same manner, transcend all these
(demi) gods in all these attributes !
< Refer Trans. by SrI AdidEvAnanda >.
What a beautiful and enjoyable commenty to the word
"dEvadEva" in sweet and simple sanskrit, really bringing out
the greatness of our PerumAL !! Lets see the original
source of inspirartion for BhAshyakAra as well.
This is exactly the direct commentry of the word "dEvadEva"
by NammAzhwAr during his outpourings (ThiruvAimozhi 8.1.5 ) :
"aaruyirO! .... manisarkuth dEvar pOla dEvarkku dEvAvO ..."
" .......You are the Lord of dEvas like how dEvas lord
over humans ....".
Lets now enjoy the nectarian commentry by our dear PiLLAn, for
this anubhavam of Azhwar :
" ...aathmaguNangaLAlum rUpaguNangaLAlum manushyariR kAttil
dEvargaL yetthanai vilakshaNarAyiruppAr, appadiyE dEvargaL
manushyar yennumpadi andak guNangaLAl vilakshaNanAi ...."
The only change in the GIta BhAshya is that, instead
of the term aatmagUNa, "sowseelya etc aatmaguNAs" is present
and addition of animals,repltiles etc alongwith humans.
What a beautiful way in which PiLLAn follows his AchArya
Bhagavad RAmAnuja in his commentry ! Ofcourse the commentry
of PiLLAn is filled with many a typical outpourings of
Bhagavad RAmAnuja in nectarian sanskrit that mesmerizes the
reader and making him/her engorssed in the kalyANa guNas of
SrIman nArAyaNa _without fail_. This is because, of the
direct influence of the traditional kAlakshEbam (discourses)
and the divine grace of Bhagavad RAmAnuja.
>Even SwAmi DeSikan who quotes so copiously
> from DP in his tamil works,has to restrict himself
> to Skt quotations in his glosses on Stotra Ratnam etc
SwAmi dESIkan actually goes a step ahead in His outstanding
commentry to Bhagavad RAmAnuja's GIta BhAshya, viz. GIta
TAtparya Chandrika. SwAmi dESikan must have felt that, only
the tamil songs of Azhwars can't be quoted in Sanskrit
works, but why not translate the tamil song into Sanskrit
and quote it !!
For the verse 17.10 in bhagavad gIta, SwAmi dESIkan quotes
the following verse as that of BhaktAn~grirENu's
(Thondar-adip-podi Azhwar, literally meaning "Dust of Feet of
devotees") work, which is actually the translated version of
the 41st verse of Thondaradip-podi AzhwAr's ThirumAlai :
"divyairavEdyavibhavEti yadi bruvanti -
mAdhvImanOjn~yatulaseeka yadIti cAhuhu |
OonakriyA api parAnapi kArayantO bhuktAdhikam -
dadati tEd nanu (nana) tat pavitram ||
Please refer to the analysis of SrI abhinava dESIka
UttamUr swAmi in his commentry to this 41st pAsuram
of ThirumAlai, for further details on the "Ucchishtam"
referred to in ThirumAlai and the gIta bhAshya.
adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,
anantapadmanAbhan,
KrishNArpaNam.
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