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Re: gyAtRtva, kaRtRva and bhOktRtva

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jasn sn • July 28, 2002 


SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA.

 Dear devotees,

Certain interesting questions are addressed by the two
mails attached below.

# Does the jiva enjoy / possess any freedom to act (
freewill)?  Did the lord mean this when He said in BG
18-63 –“yathA echchasi thathA kuru’” –do as per your
wish?

# Does the ability to know, act and experience confer
any freewill to the jiva.? (Sri Ram kumarÂ’s mail)

# If brahman resides in all things (both chetana and
achetana) and controls  them , how can there be free
will?( BG –15-15)
(avanandri voraNuvum asaiyAthu)

# Sri Krishna KashyapÂ’s mail- GodÂ’s problem vs
individual’s problem –who is responsible for the
jivaÂ’s sorry state of affairs?
If it is due to jiva acting on free will, what does
the lord imply in BG 16-19?
“aham.. aaseerushu yonishu ajasram kshibhaami (the
words have been  interchanged in order to draw the
meaning)

# If everything proceeds as per the lordÂ’s designs,
does it not amount to pre-determination? Then where is
the room for free will?

Dear devotees, therefore, may I request you to share
your views and  your arguments drawing inputs from
texts on the question of 
pre-determination versus freewill.

JS


>From Sri Krihna Kashyap:-

I like some questions since the same questions have
bothered me before. This
is one of them.

Yes jnatrtva, kartrtva and bhoktrtva is given to jiva
by God. In that sense,
jiva's jnantrtva,kartrtva, bhoktrtva are dependent on
God. If it is
dependent then one might ask why should jiva suffer
due to the stuff given
by God? It is not so: the freedom is given to jiva to
use the karana
kalebara : ie. body mind and intellect as per guidance
of shastras. One has
the freedom to get bound or get out of it. Once can
get into maya or get out
of it. if one goes against the shastras it it is not
God's problem but
individual's. more sins one does, he or she will get
into situations and
bodies which may have lesser sensitivity to commit
more mistakes.


>From Sri Ram Kumar,

I have a fundmental vedAntic question.

According to viSishTAdvaita, one of the key
ontological entities is
the individual consciouness (jIva) which is a distinct
& inseparable
attribute of the brahman (the Supreme Being).

So, in order to facilitate the jIva's distinctness &
freewill, is
the ability to know, (gyAtRtva), act (kaRtRtva) and
experience
(bhOktRtva) accorded to the individual jIva by the
brahman?


aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan






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